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PZC Minutes 1117924 RE';ORD OF PROCEEDINGS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was held on November 17, 1992, at 7:30 PM in the Town Council Chambers, Avon Town Municipal Building, 400 Benchmark Rd., Avon, Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Chairman John Perkins. Members Present: John Perkins, Henry Vest Sue Railton, Jack Hunn Rhoda Schneiderman, Staff Present: Rick Pylman, Director of Community Development, Charlette Pascuzzi, Recording Secretary Chairman Perkins stated that all members were present, except for Patti Dixon and Buz Reynolds. 5.7_ngle.Family_Resdences Rick Pylman stated that the lot is a duplex lot, but the applicant is presenting a proposal for a single family residence. It is about 3,000 square feet in size and includes an attached two car garage. Architectu-al design is a southwestern style with some flat roof forms and some gable roof forms, and stucco building materials with some log work as accent elements. The issue tonight is a discussion over the roof material. The applicant would like to show his basic concept for the lot and discuss the possibility of using a metal roof. Pylman then pointed out on the plan the driveway and the siting of the building. He stated that the architecture is fine for the site, therefore, the only issue seems to be the roofing material. Eric Vogelman stated that he understands that the Commission feels that metal roofs are not perfect for Wildridge. Rick Pylman stated that he would like to give a little background regarding this matter. He stated that the Planning Commission set a policy several years ago about roofing materials and has held pretty tight to that policy. Allowed roofing materials have been sod, cedar shakes, a couple of cedar shake imitation products, and 300 lb per square asphalt shingles. The Commission has specifically spoken about metal roofs and because of the concern PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 2 of 15 5ing1e_Fami ly Residence, about glare, no metal roofs have been approved in Wildriage. Pylman described on the plans where the metal roof would be used. Jerry McMahan, owner of the property, stated that they havF spent considerable time and energy designing this house, trying to achieve a territorial design, combined with some southwestern design. He described a couple changes that they have decided to do to the plans since they were first drawn. They are going to remove the ground floor master bedroom end and make it into another floor, therefore, part of the area that would have been metal roof will be eliminated. He described the changes on the plans. They have gone to Santa Fe and studied this house design. The metal roof is intrical to the design of the house. He stated that they did not believe there would be a considerable amount of glare due to the siting of the house. He provided a sample of the color and type of metal roof they would like to use. It is a sage green in a fairly matte finish. Before proceeding with the design they would like to get some sort of direction from the commission. They are trying to build a very nice house up there. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that she likes the house, she thinks it will be an interesting combination. She asked if the applicant knew anybody in the area that has used this specific product. He replied that this is the exact product that is on the church in Eagle -Vail, also the same color. John Perkins stated that it would be a standing seam product, an ADP manufacturer and is one of the higher quality roofs. Schneiderman asked if they have anything with more of a relief to it? No one seemed to know of any. The applicant stated that the reason they chose the green was so that it would match the terrain. Discussion followed on houses that might look down on the house and might be effected by the glare. Schneiderman stated that theoretically she has nothing against metal roofs. She stated that she might have to go over and look down on the church and see what kind of glare factor there might be. Henry Vest stated that he would be opposed to a metal roof because there are a number of houses that are going to be built in the future that would be looking down on the glare of the roof. Sue Railton stated that she thinks it is a nice design and it is a r •V PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 3 of 15 Lot 62 Block 3. Wildridge Subdiyi_sicn_,__S.inale Family..Residence,. Conceptual Design Review contl shame that the re-gulations would cause someting like this to be turned do.+n. Jack Hunn stated that he also likes the house and it would be a fine addition to the subdivision. He asked what the material would be on the flat portions of roof. The applicant stated hat it would be ballast/river rock, the same as Goddard's house. Hunn stated that there probably will be some challenges with the driveway in terms of needing some retaining walls. The applicant agreed, stating that at this time this is only the preliminary stages of the design. Hunn stated that he would have trouble supporting a metal roof. There is so much topography in Wildridge and so many people look down on house; below them, and there is no product that won't give off some kind of glare. He also stated that he is afraid to open Pandora's box. If this house would work without bothering anybody, it is hard to say what the effect of the next five that came in would be. He would prefer not to introduce metal roofs is; Wildridge. John Perkins stated that he feels it is a wonderful design and the change in massing as cescribeu -ill be an improvement to the house. He stated that he would like to see the site plan developed more, especially with respect to retainage. He would encourage the applicant to use stone doney retaining walls and minimizing the backslope cuts or site cuts as best y -u can. Revegetatirn up there doesn't work very well. Perkins asked what the landscaping concepts would be. The applicant replied, generally just revegetation with isolated areas of shrubs, etc. Perkins suggested surounding the motor car entrance in landscaping and a low landscape wall on tha south side of the house, that would separate the natural environment to a more manicured, finished landscape environment.. The applicant described how they want to come off the back with a patio built out, but leave everything else natural. They want to leave the sagebrush wherever they can. Perkins stated that the roof is a hard question and the Commission has struggled with it over and over. He stated that he thinks the metal roof works nicely on this house, but the Commission has turned down so many people that have come before them in the past that have asked for metal roofs and then gone to asphalt shingles. He asked the applicant if they had looked at a tile roof? The applicant stated that a the roof would defeat the territorial look. It would mean making many changes in the design. Sue Railton stated that she thinks it would be a shame to destroy the concept of this home for the sake of architecture. Railton and Perkins stated their positions would be that they would not, e J J • 11% PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MMEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 4 of 15 Lot 62 Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision. Single Family Residence1_ Conceptual Design Review not support the house. They would rather support it than see the applicant compromise the architecture for it. Mr. Jerome Minnick, parent of the deeded owner of Lot 67, stated that this area is a desert and the fire hazard is very high and the metal roof is the only way to go. Soon the roof on their duplex will have to be replaced and he hopes that the Commission will have the foresight enough at that time to allow them to put a metal roof on that duplex, or anybody else that requests a metal roof, for the safety factor. Jack Hunn stated that if they approve metal roofs for Wildridge, there will be more and more proposals with lesser and lesser quality material. If there was a quality criteria, where there was an up charge for putting a metal roof on it might begin to make some sense, under certain conditions. His fear is that there are all sorts of very inexpensive, very glossy, very thin gage products that would be proposed. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that they set criteria for asphalt roofs and she doesn't see why it can't be done for any roofing materials. Jack Hunn stated that before this Commission acts on this request, the Commission needs to give this matter some thorough study, and consider i' types of products that they might accept. It was suggested the Commission have a worksession prior to the next meeting. irie worksession will be at 6 or 6:30 PM on December, 1, 1992. As a conceptual review, no action was taken at this time. Lot 11, Block 4 Wildridge Subdivision Single Family—Residence, Conceptual Design Review Rick Pylman stated that this lot is about an acre in size. It is a duplex lot that is -)n the uphill side of Wildridge Road East, which is the upper most road in Wildridge, and runs east -west across the top of the subdivision. The average slope of the lot is about 23%. The house is fairly high up on the lot, about 22 feet in elevation above the roadway, which presents some tough driveway challenges. As it is shown the driveway does meet an 8% grade and a great deal of retaining cut will be required. The house is about 7000 square feet. Building materials are stone and stucco, and roofing materials are up for discussion. Pylman stated that the conceptual drawings look like the house is very close to the 35 foot height limit. 40 • • PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 5 of 15 Lot 11 Block 4, Wildridge Subdivision Single Famil- ResidencA, Conceptual Design Review L:ont1 Eric Vogelman stated that the lot is really steep right at the road and rater than have a boathouse effect where it is just a garage right off the road and trying to get a variance, they have brought it up to where it levels out. They plan on incorporating rock for the retaining walls. This applicant also would like to use metal roof, but have expressed that tile might be alright. This is one of the two highest lots up there, so there should be no problem with glare. He stated that there would be minimul landscaping as they want to leave most in the sagebrush. Jack Hunn stated that this an excellent proposition for the subdivision. He stated that the house appeare to be very tall. He suggested that the applicant might take this into consideration as they detail the south elevation, maybe with a lower roof form to scale that elevation down a bit, as perceived both from the entry drive and the roadway. The applicant stated that they have tried to step it back up the hill so it would appear to have the least amount of that. Sue Railton stated that she thinks it is a nice design and all that needs to be resolved is the roofing materials. Henry Vest suggested a considerable amount of landscaping around the house instead of just nothing. Vogelman stated that the owner does plan to have alpine garden type of planting around. He meant that there w'il be no grass, etc. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that she also likes the design, but she thinks a tile roof would look better on this particular home. She feels that the roof should be an intrical part of Lhe house, not just for praticality sake. John Perkins asked about the retainage system for the driveway. The applicant stated that he prefers what looks like a hand laid wall. The system that he has had good luck with, on a cost basis, is a treated lumber system, not railroad ties, more like a framed wall with a system of tiebacks. It is great for incorporating into stucco or masonry to face it. Perkins estated that the massing gets monotonous in the fenestrations, on rha long wing. The applicant stated that in terms of elevation as shown he would agree, but in real life there is a setback there of about six feet where the upper wall is back from the lower one. Perkins also stated that he thinks tile would work nicely on this house. Perkins stated that no action would be taken as this was a conceptual design review. •on • •7 W „^. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 6 of 16 rust__Res i dence,He i ght Rick Pylman stated that Clark Brust is currently building a single family home on Lot 35, Block 3. Wildridge Subdivision. While performing some construction inspections, Staff noticed that the building appeared to exceed the height limitations. Staff reviewed the plans and shot some elevations and checked some grades to determine what happened. The house is constructed exactly as it was de-igned, with one minor variation on the grading, that doesn't help the appearance of the problem any. The problem lies with the architectural design of the house and it is designed too tall. Tt is designed at 37 feet above- existing grade. Pylman described on the plans how the house was aesigned and described the ridge elevations. There is a great deal more of the house exposed thar, was expected. Another thing that has been done that exaggerates the problem is that instead of curving these contours around into the house as the grades are shown, the contours run straight out for a ways before they curve off. The builder has developed a level platform 8 to 10 feet wide. There is a two foot height problem because of a combination of factors. Pylman reviewed the criteria for acting on a variance request, stating that there have been no other height variances granted within the arca and all other structures are within the 35 foot height limit. He stated that the original error that caused this, which lies in the architectural design, and which Staff should have caught, would be a hardship for Mr.Brust to not grant him this variance. Pylman stated that there is a two foot encroachment for maybe the length of ten or twelve feet and will probably impede the view slightly from some properties. Pylman reminded the Commission that any action taken must be based on the findings. He stated that Staff recommendation is for approval, as this was the result of a mistake on the architect and the Town of Avon Staff. Mr. Brust stated that he is very sorry for this problem, but it would cause great hardship if this is not granted. Chairman Perkins then opened the public hearing and asked for public input. Hearing none, Chairman Perkins then closed the public hearing. Rhoda Schneiderman and Henry Vest stated they have no problem with granting this variance, under the circumstances. Sue Railton also stated tha she had no problem, except for the revegetation of all that fill. The applicant stated that he has spoken with Staff and plans to do extensive landscaping and retaining walls, but it won't be dune until the spring, so he would like to come back with the plans for that. Jack Hunn stated that one of the larger owl •J 40, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 7 of 15 ionsBrust_Residencey _Hei.ght problems is the platforming and the way that it is so abrupt and unnatural. He suggested that the Town take a look at its procedures for identifying these problems, so that this does not happen in the future. John Perkins suggested that the elevations show a dotted line for existing grade and proposed grade. Rhoda Schneiderman moved to approve the height variance for Lot 35, Block 3, Wildridge, based on the findings of Section 17.36.50 as follows: A. That the granting of the variance will not constitute a grant of special privilege inconsistent with the limitations of other properties classified in the same district; B. That the granting of the variance will not be detrimental to the public health, safety, or welfare, or materially injurious to properties or improvements in the vicinity; C. That the variance is warranted for the following reason: 1. The trict, literal interpretation and enforcement of the specified - .emulation would result in practical difficulty or unnecessa;_physical hardship inconsistent with the objectives of this title. Sue Ralton seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Discussion followed on the matter of the satellite dish that the applicant has installed without approval. The applicant stated that he would be working with staff regarding this matter. Lot 67 Block 1 Wildridae Subdivision, Hoff Reside__nce, Final Design Review Rick Pylman stated that this application was first reviewed by the Commission on October 6, 1992, at that time it was tabled because of concerns regarding site plan, driveway alignment, and general architectural designs. On the 3rd of November the Commission reviewed some amended plans with a complete grading plan, new driveway alignment, new landscaping plan and the board was comfortable with those. The application was again tabled because of some serious architectural concerns that were expressed. Mr. Hoff has made several changes to the house in an attempt to respond to Lhose concerns. He has had the house redrawn so that it is more accurately portrayed to the design and detail level in • r 40 O PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION M'cETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 8 of 15 _Hoff Residence -,.—Final finishes that he was planning on constructing. Building materials have been changed. Before the siding and stucco was applied in what was termed a panelization approach and it now seems consistent with what you see in Wildridge, with a stucco base and a cedar siding on the upper level with a trim band separating that. It is a 1 x 6 dolly varden style cedar siding. The colors are now a natural cedar semi -transparent stain on the siding, window trim will be a green color and the stucco color is still the October Frost. The roofing material is a 300 lb brownwood asphalt shingle. The fascia will be the green color also. Some windows have been added on the north elevation where the commission had expressed concerns about the blank wall. Some landscaping has been added to the house as well. Mr. Hoff stated that he had not realized that the plans had not really depicted the true design of the house and he tried to respond to the concerns of the commission with the natural look of the natural cedar siding and the green trim. He had Michael Sanner redraw and redesign the exterior of the house. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that she thinks it is definitely an improved image. She was still disappointed that he did not do anything with the roofline. Sue Railton thought it was a great improvement. It is the detailing that makes the difference, that is why you go to architects. Jack Hunn stated that he also feels it has been improved. The introduction of the windows on the north side helped, but the massing really hasn't changed and one of his biggest concerns is all of the roof draining to the front door, even though the applicant is using gutters as a solution to this. He felt that if the dormer could be shifted, etc., there may be some opportunity to change the ridge of the garage. He stated that he thinks that the green is too bright. He would rather see a muted accent color and the asphalt roofing color is fairly dark and what might fit in better would be one that more closely simulates a weathered wood shake, a little lighter or little grayer. Henry Vest asked about the south elevation where the gable form runs into the garage and where there is no attachment, if he is going to run the fascia down along there so that it runs into the other. The applicant stated that it actually does connect up. Vest also asked about the grade that is below the door. The applicant stated that there will be a step along there That steps down to natural grade. 40 O • PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 9 of 15 Residence_ F_ina_i Hoff also stated that he had added four six foot blue spruce to the plans. John Perkins stated that he still believes that the applicant c(�:ild come up with a better design solution, with respect to the entry and the two gable forms. He still has problems supporting this proposal. Sue Railton moved to grant final design approval for Lot 67, Block 1, wildridge, with the conditions that all roof venting be painted the same color as the roof, and also that all spruce trees be a minimum of 6 feet and all aspens be a minimum of 2" caliper. Rhoda Schneiderman seconded and the motion carried with a three to two vote, John Perkins and Jack Hunn voting nay. Lot 70. Block 1 Benchmark at Beaver Creek Subdivisioo_� Bristol Pines Townhomes Material Change Request. Design Review Rick Pylman stated that on March 19th, 1991, Mountain Coast Homes Inc. received final design review approval and fractionalization approval for 14 units to be built on Lot 70, Block 1, Benchmark at Beaver Creek. This is the second and last phase of the Beacon Hill Townhomes. Part of the property went back to a different owner. Building materials were cedar shingles and a wood siding of some sort that was never determined at the time of approval, aluminum clad windows and some metal pipe railings. Earlier this year the builder requested a material change to a masonite siding and to asphalt shingles. The request for the masonite siding was approved, however, the change to asphalt shingles was not allowed. The builders are back requesting a material change from the cedar shingles to the Timberline Ultra Asphalt shingle in a weathered wood color and would also like to change the approved trim color from a Benjamin Moore color titled Myrtle to a Benjamin Moore green color. Pylman then provided samples of the proposed roofing material and the color. Randy Marino clarified the colors which they were proposing. He stated that they were originally approved for one solid body stain on the building (he pointed out the color on the sample)and also indicated the green trim that was previously approved and Beacon Hill was a color, which he indicated, but was more of a clearer stain. He stated that Beacon Hill recently repainted their building and put on a solid body stain (he pointed out a color on the sample). Originally their garage doors were closer to a color which he indicated on the sample, but Beacon Hill decided to use another color (he pointed out on the sample) which turned into MR r 40 rr� PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 10 of 15 Elm Lot 70, Block 1. Benchmark at Beaver Creek_ Subdivision, ___Bristol_ • Pines Townhomes Material Chance Request, Des qn Review�_�cont�_ blue. Therefore, since they wire trying to match the garage doors • and trim of Beacon Hill, they could get rid of the rust look and match the exterior of their building so both buildings would look the same, and stick with the original green which gives the building a different de`_?il. Mark Donaldson stated that as you look up and down Nottingham Road there is a wide variety of architecture that exists on Nottingham Road. This is one of the last projects that will be built on Nottingham Road. He stated that they feel that with the architectural forms, particularly because of the dormers, they have created a shelter to keep the ice and snow fall away from the pedestrian area. He compared the difference in the architecture in Gosshawk Townhomes and the Wildwood Townhomes and the proximity of the buildings and likened them to the siting of Beacon Hill and Bristol Pines Townhomes. The issue of compatibility is what they are trying to focus on at this time. They are asking to be allowed to use the Timberline Ultra Asphalt shingle in the weathered wood color. They feel it is a higher quality material and has more durability. Randy Marino stated that he is trying to do something that is compatible with the area and works with the architecture. He feels that the asphalt shingles are of much better quality than wood shakes. He personally feels they look better and the mainte.iance is easier. The third issue is the safety issue. He stated that as a builder, he feels liable to the people buying from him and he would like to be able to provide the highest quality, least maintenance and safest product available and he believes that is what the asphalt is. John King, President of the Beacon Hill Association, provided a letter from an owner adjacent to Beacon Hill. He also reminded the Commission that this matter has been addressed at the previous request. He stated that they feel that the visibility of the properties along Nottingham Road merit a little more attention to the quality of finishes. There are some of the homeowners, himself included, that regret the approval of the masonite siding. The only real benefit gained was a cost savings to the developer. Here again, with the shingles, he sees no gain other than a cost savings to the developer. The existing buildings along Nottingham Road are all shakes. He feels that staying in consistency is of importance. They have recently painted the Beacon Hill poject and they have plans in the spring to do some landscaping improvements and there are also a variety of other projects in that area that are making an effort to upgrade the look in that area. They feel that at this point to let projects to start to downgrade is a real PLANNING AND ZONING COMr;TSSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 11 of 15 Lot 70, Block 1, Benchmark at Beaver_Creek Subdivisiony_B Pines Townhomes. Material Chance Request Design Revies, (co detriment. He urged the Commission to reject this proposal. Hark Donaldson stated that he would like to take issue with the perception of the quality of the composition shingles. He thinks it is a truly backward thinking to say that composition shingles of this high quality, this texture, this color, along with the color scheme is of lesser quality. He f^..els that this is about a ten year old thinking. If you look to the future in terms of the safety, the upkeep and long term durability, then they are proposing a higher quality. John King stated that he would not argue that an asphalt shingle is not a durable, long lasting product. Unfortunately, if the perception of the public is that it is a low and, tract type material, then they need to use the upper end rooeing materials. Quality and perception are two different issues and that is what they are looking at. Randy Marino stated that this perspective is a little outdated. Now days you are seeing more and more asphalt shingles being used throughout the country in high end areas and the main reason is safety. He stated that he has seen large embers coming out of Beacon Hill fireplaces onto the wood shakes and it is a concern. He would not feel comfortable knowing that and having to use wood shingles on Bristol Pines. Jack Hunn stated that since Mark Donalason tends to repeat himself, he will repeat himself too. He stated basically that he feels like a deal is a deal. He feels like that every since they agreed to that deal, they have been chipping away at it. First it was masonite siding for wood, and now once again there is discussion on asphalt shingles for the wood shake. He stated that he has a problem with this. The project is a fractionalized project. It is an aggressive density development. It is in close proximity to Beacon Hill and the Commission got comfortable with that much density and that tight of a site on the strength of the original proposal, which was a building which was very sensitively designed to be compatible with Beacon Hill, i. e. architectural expression, materials and colors. There was a real effort to fit in and work together and still have some individuality. He stated that the Commission does not have the luxury of undoing tneir part of the deal, which is take back some of the density and yet you feel comfortable com ng in and asking to recreate the deal from your side of it. The people that are really impacted by this is Beacon Hill. They gave support for the project initially, grantins encroachments and other concessions to make your project possible, and they are here tonight asking that the Commission •1 �I •1 -\ '.N PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 12 of 15 k subdiv deny the request for asphalt shingles, and he thinks that the Commission should listen to them. He thinks that is the most important thing they are hearing tonight, that it is the neighbors position you have to respect, because you required their support to get this far down the road. He will have trouble supporting this roofing material change for those reasons. Regarding the colors, he does not recall the green being as shoe+n. Mark Donaldson took issue with Mr. Hunn's comment about chipping away. He does not look at it as chipping away but rather trying to provide a very high quality product. Mr. Hunn stated that the argument for this material change is concerned with fire. There are other fire resistant roofing materials that would cost more than what you are already obligated to put on this project, and you are not proposing these. Mr. Marino stated that they are proposing the less expensive because this is what the Town proposed up in Wildridge, where he believes there was a covenant at the time which did not allow asphalt shingles and there is not a covenant in this area, so he assumed that a like material would be acceptable. He does not feel that they are chipping away either, he feels that this product is higher quality than the wood shingles. He feels the asphalt is a better looking product. He reminded the Commission of the horrible fire in Oakland, California where so many homes were lost because most of them had wood shingles. Jack Hunn stated that, what it comes down to is aesthetics and the compatibility of your building with every thing up and down that street. This has been important all through this process. He stated that when he says that they are chipping away at that he means that they are getting further and further away from the original goal. He stated that the neighbors supported the original proposal, but they are not and have not supported the changes requested. They are the ones most impacted by the changes. Sue Railton stated that she agrees that the asphalt shingles would be better than the shake roof. She stated that she did not believe that an asphalt roof makes a building look bad. It is all in the architecture. You can us them on a badly designed unit and it will look like crap, but on a well designed unit it would look fine. She thinks the green trim is a little too bright. Henry Vest stated that the whole corridor of the road is cedar shakes. Because of the visibility of the roof from the neighboring prornrty he would not be in favor of the asphalt shingles. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that if these units were next door to ORI •1 •] PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 13 of 15 Bristol Beacon Hill she would agree to the asphalt shingles, however, since they look like they are part of Beacon Hill, she feels it will look too dissimilar. She also feels that the green is too bright. She strongly suggests that the shakes be a Class B fire treated. John Parkins asked if these units are for sale and if they are comparable to the appraised value of the existing Beacon Hill project. Charlie Gersbach replied that this is correct. Mr. Gersbach stated that he is suprised with the comments about asphalt shingles. He does not see the jaundiced eye in the marketplace. John Perkins stated that the proximity of these two projects makes him have sympathy for the guy that was there first. That is the way he voted on it the last time and nothing has changed to make him change his mind at this time. Mark Donaldson stated that he thinks that the ten year old Beacon Hill building was the last building to be built on Nottingham Road. He asked what is going to happen when these projects need to have new roofs. There will be applicants up and down the road loo'ing at insurance rates, etc., and they will be coming in requesting to upgrade to asphalt shingles. The applicant asked John King what the plans for Beacon Hill were for reroofing. John King stated that they had preliminary discussions about reroofing and they are leaning to replacement of the shakes. His personal opinion is that he doesn't like asphalt shingles. John Perkins stated that nothing has happened to make him change his mind from the last time, and it is because of the proximity of the two projects, and about that spirit of cooperation mentioned by Jack Hunn, that needs to be honored. Jack Hunn stated that they need to also discuss the colors. John Perkins stated that he feels that green is on its way out. He feels that these color presented are too bright. Discussion followed on the change in the siding color from a rust to a tan, which the applicant stated that Beacon Hill changed to. John King stated that the body color of Beacon Hill has always been this color (he pointed to a sample). There were some foundation wall areas, and doors and pipe rails that were painted a color similar to this (he pointed to another color sample). Recently they painted the entire structure this color (again pointing to a color sample). The blue color is isolated to pipe railings on balconys, back in recessed areas where the stairs are and on railings on the second floor. The front entry doors are AD aw9 401 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 14 of 15 Lot 70 Block 1 , Benchmark _at__ Beaver Creek- Subdivision,-- r.hAn oo Renuest. Desiqn Rev_iew,_1cont) kind of set back and the garage doors are in the back. Mark Donaldson stated that to simplify the process tonight they would like to withdraw the request for any color change what so ever from what has been approved. Jack Hunn moved to deny the material change request for Lot 70, Block 1, Benchmark at Beaver Creek Subdivision. Henry vest seconded, and the motion carried with a four to one vote, Sue Railton voting nay. .. ,..------te .+ Rcavar creak Subdivision, Christie John Perkins stepped down dtie to a conflict of interest. Pick Pylman stated that there will be no action taken on this, as this project is already done, therefore he sees no reason why Mr. Perkins could not participate in the discussion. Inter -Mountain Engineering was late in getting the drawings out on this and the Town has been involved in this. The Town took a great deal of Christie Lodge property along Beaver Creek Blvd, and in doing so took a large number of their parking spaces, so there had to be some redesign on their parking. Since Inter -Mountain was slow in getting the drawings out and it was starting to snow, and B & B Excavating had equipment there, they went ahead with the parking lot. With the reconfiguration they actually gained a parking space. The lighting and landscaping are not done yet, and they will be brought back to the Commission for review. The only reason this is being presented tonight is to give the Commission an explanation of the work that is going on at this time. John Perkins stated that the lighting has been decided and he pointed out on the plans where the lighting would be located. He described the type of lights to be used. He described the parking spaces as they related to some of the landscaping. Discussion followed on some of the landscaping plans, but several people were talking at once, so it is difficult to understand. Also discussed was the matter of the lack of curb stops. Sue Railton moved to approve the minutes of the November 3, 1992 meeting as submitted. Rhoda Schneiderman seconded and the motion carried unanimously. AD awl PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES November 17, 1992 Page 15 of 15 The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 PM. Respectfully submitted. c� '77 7; Charlette Pascuzzi Recording Secretary C J C F F F F Z� 402 4D • 1