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PZC Minutes 060292RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 The reg.+lar meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was held on June 2, 1992, at 7:30 PM in the Town Council Chambers, Avon Town Municipal Building, 400 Benchmark .Rd., Avon, Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Chairman John Perkins. Members Present: John Perkins, Buz Reynolds Sue RailtDn, Henry Vest, Jack llunn, Rhoda Schneiderman Staff Present: Jim Curnutte, Town Planner Rick Pylman, Director of Community Development All members were present except Patti Dixon. Lot 10 Block 1. Benchmark at Beaver Creek Subd-Lv-on..._Holy Cross Electric Association, Line Relocation Special Review Uses__Public Hearing Rick Pylman stated that he has received a request to table this item until the meeting of the 16th of June. Jack Hunn moved to table this item. Rhoda Schneiderman seconded and the motion carried unanimously. S 109 Rick Pylman stated that the staff has not received all the information needed, therefore staff recommends tabling this item until further information is received. Henry Vest moved to table this item until the June 16th meeting, Jack Hunn seconded, and the motion carried unanimously. Lots 37 and 38 Block 2. Benchmark at Beaver Creeks_ Beaver Creek West Entrance Center, Zone Change Request. Pub Iic._Hear ng, and Conceptual Design Review Rick Pylman stated that the Commission looked at this item briefly during the lase worksession and since then staff has discovered some technical concerns with the way the rezoning request was being handled. The request to change the zoning from duplex to PLANNING AND June 2, 1992 Page 2 of 14 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES West Entrance Center. Zone Cha Conceptual Design Review, (cont) residential high density will be withdrawn because of the way the property lines need to remain in place and some technicalities with the existing condominium declarations for Beaver Creek West. the only way to about rezoning these lots so that a conference facility would be allowed there would be to change that to FUD. Therefore, there will be a new application and a new notice procedure. This will come back as a zone change from duplex to planned unit development. Pylman stated that the Commission should take this time to go ahead with the conceptual design review and turned the meeting over to the applicant. Eric Hill stated that the site plan shows the massing of the building and the proposed circulation. He stated that the landscaping would be about 45% and the building area about 39% of the lot and the asphalt is 8% ;nd the concrete paths and patio is 8%. He provided a model of the building. Jack Hunn questioned whether this proposed use belongs on those residential sites. This building would be out of scale to the existing residential buildings. It would generate traffic that does not currently exist. He stated that he is not comfortable with this proposed use on those two duplex lots. Sue Railton stated that she also feels that it doesn't fit in with the surrounding buildings and feels it devalues the properties next door. Henry %lest stated that he had no problem with the project but did have some concerns regarding the small windows on the second floor. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that she would rather have the tratfic be internal, rather than have another driveway on West Beaver Creek Blvd. to confuse people more. Buz Reynolds stated that he has no problems with the use, but the size of the building will be overpowering to the adjacent buildings. Also he feels that an access through Beaver Creek West would be better. Chairman Perkins stated he feels that this seriously jeopardizes the value of the two adjacent structures. It generates traffic in a very tight pattern. The massing is incompatible with the existing neighborhood. PLANNING AND ZONTNG COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 3 of 14 Rick Pylman cautioned the Commission members to keep an open mina until they have recce:', -d Staff's zoning recommendation and presentation. He did not feel that just looking at the site plan and making design comments gives them enough information to Judge the use. The applicant responded by stating that, regarding the massing of the building, all of the properties across the street are zoned residential high density, Beaver Creek West is a rather massive project, and he feels that maybe the duplexes are the buildings that are out of context with the other builnings. Further discussion followed on the massing of the building and traffic that will be generated and the possibility of a secondary road. Front Yard Setback Jack Hunn stepped down as a voting member of the Commission due to a conflict of interest. Jim Curnutte stated that Donald and Marylin Elterman are requesting a side yard setback variance to allow a deck and a stairway to encroach into the required 10 foot setback. This request is to allow for a 2 foot expansion of the existing deck and would have a new stairway coming off the deck. Curnutte then reviewed the criteria to be considered in granting a variance, stating that the expansion of the deck should not be visible at all to the other half of the duplex. The applicant is asking for a very minimal encroachment, however, it would appear that it would be possible to expand the deck and provide access without encroaching into the setback area at all. Curnutte then reviewed the findings required when granting a variance. Staff agrees with the applicant that the variance would not have a detrimental effect on the surrrounding properties, Staff does not feel that there is any special conditions that exists with regard to this lot, and Staff recommends denial of the variance as submitted, feeling that no hardship exists. Donald Elterman stated that the request is not for the full length of the deck, but only a portion of the deck. a PLANNING AND June 2, 1992 Page 4 of 14 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES Chairman Perkins then opened the public hearing. With no public input forthcoming, the Chairman Llosed the public hearing. Discussion followed on how much of the deck would be in the setback. Discussion followed on the matter that the eoplicant could do this without a variance. Rhoda Schneiderman moved to grant the variance on Lot 26, Block 1, Wildridge, as presented. Sue Railton seconded. Rhoda Schneiderman restated her motion to include the findings A, B and C. The motion died for the lack of a second. Further discussion followed on what the applicant could do without the variance or how the applicant could cut down the amount of encroachment into the setback. Jack Hunn stated that he felt that the Commission is doing the project a disservice in requireing the applicant to angle the deck, since there are no angles included in the total project. Buz Reynolds moved to approve the setback variance for Lot 26, Block 1, citing the findings of A, B, and C. Schneiderman seconded, and the motion carried with Henry Vest voting nay. Rick Pylman stated that since a detailed presentation was made at the previous meeting on these four houses, he will j:Ist give a summary of what the project is about at this time. The Alpines is a planned unit development along Eaglebend Drive. The applicant would like to build single family homes there. They are presenting four home models that they would like to construct, in an order that will depend on their sales program and the market demand for the models. There are some conditions through the PUD that no two in a row be alike, etc. There is up to 19 lots that these four homes will be repeated on. The comments by the Commission at the last meeting were as follows: - Texture and paint should be proposed on large areas of exposed concrete foundation. - The bi-level model needs windows or other architectural treatment above the garage doors. - A specific masonite siding pattern should `e chosen. i *E PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 5 of 14 Tract B Block 2. Filing 2 Eaglebend Sub_d_ivis_on, The Alpines at Eaglebend � Final_Desian Review - Reconsider the white trim color and the bright blue color. NEWTO - Request for a fence detail. - Information on exterior lighting needs to be submitted. New landscape plan which delineated the sod/seed areas better and shows landscape sizes and request for increase in material sizes. - Elevation on the tri -level flan that needed improvement. - A request to understand the weight rind texture of the proposed asphalt shingles. - A concern regarding the floating chimney on the Mountain Laurel model. Chairman Perkins stated that the Commission had also asked that the landscape quantity be increased. Jeff Spanel stated that the texture and pairt on the foundation walls is no problem as they will reduce that to six inches. Regarding the bi-level, he pointed out that. the actual location of a window is over the garage. Depending on the siting of the house, they would move the window to take advantage of the best exterior of the house. They have picked two specific masonite patterns to be able to use that as one of the architectural variances from house to house. They picked a softer white trim color for the grey houses. The blue they would like to live with. Regarding the fence detail, what they have in mind is similar to what is behind the houses now, which is a 6 to 8 foot tall cedar fence made out of T1-11 siding with trim on it. They have used this because of vandals causing considerable damage. The intention is to use porch lighting for exterior lighting. The landscape plan has been redone. The right elevation of the tri -level plan is blank deliberately. This house is quite large and because of the length of the house it has to sit back on the lot so that they will not be looking out PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 6 of '14 Tract B. Block 2. Filing 2 Eaglebend Subdivision The Alpines at Eaglebend Final Design Review, (cont) into the neighbor's yard. They can add a window in the family room and/or a bedroom. Regarding the floating chimney element, the bottom of this chimney makes a straight line with the cantilever of the kitchen, and the deck and the bottom of the chimney and extending that chimney down to the ground breaks this line, and they prefer not to do that. They had the architect explore putting a small sloped roof in the chimney on the two sides and frankly, the way the windows are laid out, anything that angles that chimr,ay looks strange. What they propose to do is reduce the mass of the chimney by 30%, by shortening the dimension on both faces of the house by one foot. Discussion followed on the quantity of landscaping provided. the applicant stated that these are entry level price single family and one way for the buyer can build up=:11.:ity in the house is by providing the additional landscaping behind the house. By doing a detailed landscape plan on the front and just seeding the back yards and providing just the basic landscaping with one tree, will provide the buyer the opportunity to enhance their own house. Discussion followed on the changes made on this landscape plan and the previous one. The applicant stated that the only change is that larger materials have been shown. The Commission requested that the aspen trees be in clumps with a minimum 1" caliper. The applicant stated that they will add as much extra as possible. They will add one more clump of aspen trees per site making it four for each site. Considerable discussion followed on the floating fireplace. Discussion followed on why the fireplace is in the corner. The applicant stated that they would remove it from the corner, except for above the roof line. Discussion followed on the proposed fence. Discussion followed on the lighting. Discussion followed on the tri-level blank wall. The Commission requested that the applicant break up the blank wall with windows. Discussion followed on the drip line problem if grass hasn't come up by winter. Chairman Perkins reviewed the landscaping discussions as follows: - One clump of aspen will be added to each site; - Side yard landscaping will be extended to the back; - Drip lines will be mulched in fall if grass has not taken over and walkway shrubbery will be mulched; PLANNING AND June 2, 1992 Page 7 of 14 ZONING COMMISSION MEETTI' MINUTES Chairman Perkins stated that another item changed is that the massing of the corner fireplace will be eliminated. Also two windows will be added to the right elevation of the tri -level model. Chris Ekrem spoke regarding the fencing and how it would be supported. Also, she would like to see an overall site plan for the 19 homes and where the driveways are and where the exterior parking will be. She asked that the Commission require at least one post light at every driveway. She felt that there needs to be more illumination on the street. She requested that the Commission require two coats of cover paint over the priming on the siding for better maintenance. Jeff Spanel stated that the over site plan was submitted as part of the PUD application. He described how the fence will be installed. Regarding the siding, it is their intent to use two coats of paint. They do not propose to provide post lamps, however. The applicant stated that the mid weight range of asphalt shingles are being proposed. Discussion followed on this matter. The roofing on all the houses will be the same. Henry Vest moved to grant approval to the four single family homes with the following conditions: That the landscape plan will be revised to show one more clump of aspen trees per site, making a total of four clumps of aspen trees per site. The side yard landscaping be extended to the rear of the buildings. The walkway shrub plantings be mulched and the the drip lines be mulched if the seeded grass does not take hold. All aspen clumps will bo a minimum 1" caliper. That the two windows be added to the side elevation of the tri -level building. That corner chimney be omitted and vented as discussed. That the suggestion that the developer provide one post light per driveway be considered. That medium weight Tamko shingles be used. Rhoda Schneiderman seconded and the motion carried unanimously. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 8 of 14 The Jim Curnutte stated that Gary Feldman, with Radio Shack, is requesting final design approval of a new satellite dish on the Annex Building. The dish is located on the second floor, behind the office space, on the west side. Curnutte reviewed the criteria for design review: Antennas shall be screened from public right-of-ways or neighboring properties. All wiring and cable installen underground or obscured from sight. The use of mesh antennae 's encouraged. Color selection should be made with respect to the characteristics of the site or structure. No advertising or logs or identification shall be allowed on any dish antenna. Staff feels that the applicant has made a reasonable effort to comply with these criteria. Staff feels that the dish being mesh and painted to match the building is suitable in its location on an alley between two buildings. Staff does not feel that the visual appearance of the dish is objectionable. Staff would recommend approval of the satellite dish as presented. Gary Feldman apologized for not coming for approval before the installation. He was just not aware that it would require approval. He thinks that he has complied with all the regulations in the guidelines. Buz Reynolds moved to approve the new satellite dish for Radio Shack, as submit'ced. Sue Railton seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Lot 52 Block 4 Wildridge Subdivision, Franklin Residence,_ Building Design/Material/Color Changes Design Review Sue Railton stepped down due to a conflict of interest. Jim Curnutte stated that the applicant received final design approotal for a single family residence on September 18, 1990- It is a 2,600 square foot building not including the two car ga -:ge. It has steeply pitched roofs with large trim elements throughout. Stucco was somewhat sparingly in the original plan and the roof material was machine cut wooden cedar shingles. The approved building colors were beige transparent stai for the siding, opeque white stain for the trim and white metal clad on wood windows. The applicant is now requesting design approval for the following PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 9 of 14 a changes: Building Design Changes The window on the lower floor of the east elevation will be moved to the third floor. Also, a skylight will be added and the plexiglass deck wind screens will be removed on the east elevation. The garage windows have been removed and the chimney chase will be eliminated on the west elevation. Two doors will replace two windows on the second story deck and the rounded windows will be replaced with angled flat windows on the south elevation. Building _Material Chang_es The cedar shingles will be changed to the 310 lb per square, Elk Prestique #1 asphalt shingle, in the shakewood color. All areas where stucco had been shown will be eliminated and be replaced with siding. The chimney chase will be removed and the foundation wall on the north elevation will be painted. Building Color Changes The siding color will be changed to a natural wood color transparent stain. The windows will be a dark grey -bronze color instead of the whit. Curnutte stated that staff's only concern has to do with the amount of exposed chimney flue. The applicant has agreed to paint it to match the trim. Staff recommends approval as submitted. Jack Hunn stated that he would rather the walls remain stucco rather than painted concrete. He has a problem with the window changes and the amount of exposed flue. He feels that it would look better with the chimney chase. He was concerned with the color of the asphalt roof. Discussion followed on this matter. Discussion followd on the removal of the chimney chase. Henry Vest moved to approve the building design/material/color PLANNING AND June 2, 1992 Page 10 of 14 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES changes with the con,4ition that the chase be framed and sided. Rhoda Schneiderman seconded. Discussion followed on the painting of the concrete in place of the stucco. Henry Vest amended his motion to include the requirement that the applicant parge the exposed concrete prior to painting. Schneiderman seconded the amendment, and the motion carried with Jack Huhn voting nay. Lot 1 Lodge at Avon -Subdivision, --Avon Town SQuar—e _Request for Extension of Design Review APPrOval Rick Pylman stated that in May of 1990, the Commission granted final design approval to the Avon Towne Square project. That design approval was for the main three story commercial building and the site plan. A month or so ago there was a request for an extension of the approval which was to expire on May 15, 1992. A 45 day extension was granted to keep the approval alive. The applicant is here to explain his intentions to the Commission. Al Williams, thanked the commission for the 45 day extension. He is present to review the development plan and request an extension for a full year. He stated that the development plan is to continue on with what was approved previously. They are going to stage it in a different manner, in that they are going first with the pad site. They are talking with a national chain. The second phase would be the retail/office building complex. They hope to have the pad site completed by the end of the year and then follow up next spring with the retail building. The pad site was really just a site plan, so they will be coming back with the design of that project. The second part of this would be the subdivision process, which basically breaks the pad site into two parcels. Primarily from a financing and ownership point of view. Rick Pylman stated that he felt it was important that the Commission should be shown this issue, even though it will go to the Town Cc,incil, not the Commission for approval. The applicant is requesting a 30,000 square foot lot that will hold the restaurant pad and the rest of the lot will be for the three story commercial building. Discussion followed on what would happen to the parking if the lot were split. Mr. Williams stated that they have financing in place for the pad PLANNING AND June 2, 1992 Page 11 of 14 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES for site and have financing in reserve for the main site. Discussion followed on the approximate size of the restaurant that might go on the pad site and if the parking for the restaurant could be accommodated on the site. It was suggested that the applicant consider in the design of the facility that there is no "back door" to the site and any delivery area must be taking into consideration. Also discussed was the matter of the loading and unloading at the main building and the concerns of the commission. The Commission stated that they again, and Mr. Williams provided and described the concept of the would like to look at the plans them for the commission to review design and colors, etc. Buz Reynolds moved to approve the extension approval for Lot 1, Lodge at Avon Subdivision Sue Railton seconded. Reynolds amended his motion to recommend that all screening on the rear of the buildings return for a final color approval. Railton seconded the amendment. The motion carried unanimously. of the design review as submitted. the applicant review and the applicant Jim Curnutte stated that James Brennand is requesting conceptual design review for a single family residence. He stated that the lot is about a half an acre. The lot will be accessed by a 12' wide drive way off Wildridge Road East. The driveway grade is about 5%. The two story residence is approximately 2,150 square feet in size, not including the two car garage. Materials include Timberline Ultra asphalt shingles in a slate blend; one by six cedar siding, stucco, cedar plywood soffits, clad casement windows and a wood deck. Curnutte stated that the driveway is rather narrow; the grades along the south side of the house appear to exceed 50%. The overall amount of landscape materials seems to be rather minimal. James Brennand stated that this will be is retirement home. Considerable discussion followed on the design of the building and the landscaping on the north side of the building. Once again, several people were carrying on individual conversations at once, therefore, it is impossible to transcribe any information regarding this matter. 40 011 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 12 of 14 Jack Hunn commented that in looking at this site and considering the adjacent lot to the south, who has was is called a flag access, with your driveway on the north of your home and his on the south of your home, you will be surrounded by driveways. He asked if the applicant has considered orienting the house so the the driveway would parallel his future driveway? The applicant stated that the only problem with that is that is the sigh side off the street. The applicant stated that he would provide a 14' driveway if that is what the Commission wants. Discussion followed on the grade. Hunn stated that he would prefer to see the house relate to the grade rather than grade off to make the house fit. Discussion followed on this matter. Discussion followed on the possible placement of the landscaping. Discussion followed on adding more interest on the gable end. Discussion followed on the color of the asphalt shingles and the colors of the stains. Chaiman Perkins reviewed the Commission comments as follows: - Driveway should be a minimum of 14'. - Reclamation grade should not exceed 50% or 2 to 1 slope. - Consider more landscaping. - The north and west elevations need more windows. - Siding interest on the north side. - Landscaping on the north side, spruce and pine suggested. - The massing is awkward. The integration of the two story mast> with the lower masses must be considered - Stucco as a possible second material. - House should relate to the grade integration with the site slope. - Deck above grade less than 30 inches. - Interest in the gable ends. - Need to see a detailed landscape plan. - North facade needs interesting detail. a PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 2, 1992 Page 13 of 14 Lot 67 Block 4 Wildridge Subdivision,__Brennand Residence, Conceptual Design Review, (cont) - Possible gable or dormer form at the entry. - The color of the shingles and concerns about the stain color. As this was a conceptual design review, no formal action was taken at this time. Other Business Rick Pylman reported that the Town Council had upheld the Planning Commission decision on the Diamond Shamrock project by a unanimous vote. Pylman stated that the Council overturned the Commission's decision on the Fireridge Townhomes, with a split vote. The Council felt that it was an acceptable architecture and design for Wildridge. Rhoda Schneiderman stated that there was a discussion regarding setting up a meeting with the Town Council to outline guidelines, and the planner recommendations as far as technical vs. architectural designs. She stated that she felt that the guidelines should be more stringent. John Perkins stated that he finds that action disappointing and he thinks the Council needs to realize the time and effort that is put into reviewing these projects and he thinks they need to consider that they have directed us to do that and we are probably better at it than they are. When we stay until 1:30 in the morning to go through that process and they kind of block that out and reverse it, he finds a bit upsetting. .Jack Hunn commented that in hearing some of the feedback of what happened at that meeting, the applicant made a good point that in the conceptual review the Commission gave them suggestions and they came back and basically had addressed all the suggestions, and the Commission denied them. It is another good example of how the Commission needs to be very careful with these conceptual reviews. Rather than try to salvage a bad design the Commission should just say that this is a bad design, you need to start over and here is why. Considerable discussion followed on this matter. Hunn stated that he thinks that the Council really needs to consider that they have appointed, selected us, given us certain authority, and they really weaken our position The Commission doesn't deny vary many projects and when we do, he feels that they at least owe us the courtesy to get an up date on ANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MI14UTES ;,ne 2, 1992 'rage 14 of 14 Other Business (cont) why we denied the project. If they would rely on the Commission more that we have done the right thing, it would improve the process. Rick Pylman stated that Derek Pysher had voiced the same comments at the Council meeting. The rest of the Council felt that the Commission is appointed to carry out the Council's philosophy the way Wildridge should look. Pylman stated that he feels that a gener>1 design worksession with the Council would be a good thing and wou'd even suggest getting a bus and driving and discussing what is good nd what is bad with each building in Wildridge. Considerable discussion followed on this. The Commission agreed that this would be very productive. Discussion followed on the problem of displaying drawings. Sue Railton moved to adjourn, Jack Hunn seconded and the meeting was adjourned a 10:30 PM. Respect�ully,su�bmitted. llG" Zee - O 1," :3-' Charlette Pascuzzi Recording Secretary Commission App J. Perkins S. Railton R. Schneide e A. Reynolds P. Dixon H. Vest J. M i