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PZC Minutes 020690RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS MINUTES OF PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING FEBRUARY 6, 1990 The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was held on February 6, 1990, at 7:35 PM in the Town Council Chambers of the Town of Avon Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon, Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Frank Doll. Members Present: Frank Doll, John Perkins, Jack Hunn, Terri Jeppson Denise Hill, Buz Reynolds Staff Present: Rick Pylman, Director of Community Development, Charlette Pascuzzi, Recording Secretary Chairman Doll, at roll call noted that all members, except Clayton McRory were present. Lot 4 Filing 1 Ea lebend Subdivision South Harbor Development Setback Variance Request Public Hearing The two above described items were postponed until later in the meeting to allow time for a representative of the applicant to arrive. Conceptual Discussion Lots 87 and 89. Block t,_ Wildri_dge Subdivision Fractionalized Project, 8 Units Per Lot, Total 16 Units Continued From January 16, 1990 Rick Pylman provided plans for each lot and described the locations of both lots and the access to the lots. Pylman stated that there are four units in each building, eight units per lot. They are separate buildings. They are mirror image buildings, with metal roof, and a total of four covered parking spaces and the balance of the parking is surface parking. He stated that the parking on Lot 87 should be considered, along with the mirror image appearance of each building and the separation of the buildings on each lot, and the roof and the thoughts of the Commission on the Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes February 6, 1990 Page 2 of 9 conceptual Discussion Lots 87 and 89. Block 1 Wildridge Subdivision Fractionalized Project 8 Units Per Lot. Total 16 Units, continued from—lL16L90,_cont_ fractionalization proposal. Ken Sortland stated that the project is designed for affordable housing. He stated that there is not much detail at this time as he is here for ,lust some comments regarding the proposed project. He stated that the project is designed to make it marketable. Denise Hill asked what the total square footage of each unit would be. Sortland stated that there would be two bedroom units of 800 square feet, and a two or three bedroom unit of 1200 square feet and studio units of 450 square feet. There will be a mix. Hill asked if the project could be designed not as mirror images. She stated that she has a hard time with four mirror image buildings. Sortland stated that they are trying to build them economically, and he has different interior designs, but the exteriors change very little. Terri Jeppson stated she is uncomfortable with the steel roof. Sortland stated that it is designed to look like a tiled roof and he will have a sample of it the ne-:t time he comes in. Jeppson asked what he plans to sell the units for. Sortland stated that there is not an exact price at this time as he is still working on some of the costs. Jeppson stated that she was also concerned about fractionalization. John Perkins stated that he feels the fractionalization issue needs to be resolved. Also, the Board has in the past discouraged detached structures. He would like to see some sort of attachment. He also has a concern about the mirror image of the design. He stated that conceptually he would like to see more imagination at the initial concept. Jack Hunn echoed some of the comments already made regarding Planning and zoning Commission Meeting Minutes February 6, 1990 Page 3 of 9 the fractionalization, detached structures, and mirror image. He is also concerned about an inadequate number of covered parking spaces. He feels they should strive to achieve more covered parking spaces. He stated that he has a problem with a metal roof. He stated that if these are to be rentals, they lack storage, also common amenities such as laundry. Sortland stated that every two units has a laundry in the entry area. He stated also that because of the roof slope there would be quite a bit of storage space. Hunn stated that he was concerned about the design and in particular with the metal roof problem and the snow shedding right to the front door and to the garage door. Hunn suggested rotating the buildings so that they are not parallel with each other. Sortland stated that there are some problems with that. Others feel that they will be more marketable as detached units. The setbacks pose a problem as far as rearranging the buildings. Buz Reynolds echoed the above described concerns. He inquired as to :he type of synthetic stucco to be used. Discussion followed on this matter. Chairman Doll stated that the applicant might consider stair -stepping the units. He then reiterated the previous comments of the Commission members and he recommended that the applicant get away from the mirror image. Discussion followed on fractionalization. Rick Pylman commented on the regulations for fractionalization and the fact that there is no different regulation for Wildridge at this time. Fractionalization is approved in conjunction with the final design review approval. 4s this was a conceptual design review, no action was taken. Rick Pylman stated that Lot 3 is a small lot that is located Planning and zoning February 6, 1990 Page 4 of 9 Commission Meeting Minutes Lot 3. Block 3 Benchmark at Beaver CrGwk, Conc@Rtual Design Review, cont. to the south of the Sunridge Condominiums, on the corner of Highway 6 and West Beaver Creek Blvd. He pointed out on the map the location of the lot. He stated that the access to the lot is off West Beaver Creek Blvd. He stated that this is a commercial proposal. The lot is zoned RHDC and has no residential rights. There is no residential use proposed for this project. He stated that there are two building footprints, one with a small convenience atore, with some other retail space, a couple gas pumps, the second building contains a restaurant and some leasable spaces, with a second floor for office spaces. He described the circulation on the plats. He also described the elevations, with the western facade in front and the garage bays in the back. He reviewed a summary stating: The zoning is RHDC; Building Height allowed is 80 feet, propos d is 25 feet; Building Coverage is 21.6%; Usable Open Space 78%; 8,340 square feet of first floor space and 4350 square feet for second floor office space; They have provided 34 parking spaces, required is 30. Pylman stated his first concern is that RHDC allows uz�es more in a retail nature and he is concerned with the garage spaces in the back. He cautioned the applicant to be careful about the uses that go into the building. The second concern is the architectural style of the adjacent properties, and the third concern is the amount of paving. Steve Riden, representative of the applicant, stated that tie smaller building would be a convenience store, liquor store and gas station type of thing with the management office above it. The second building would be the smaller commercial spaces and the offices above that would support the leasable space below. The anticipation is to have a telephone store, a lubrication shop and Back Country Guide and Limousine Services would occupy some of the spaces, and there would be a diner style small restaurant at the end. Basically this project is intended for loc.ls use. Part of the design concept is to use a split level access for the large bays in the back so that a large front is not shown to the Sunridge project. The roof confriguration is pretty conceptual at this point. They would like to provide as much landscaping as possible and at the same time keep the right amount of circulation. They have also had some discussions with Sunridge about possibly adding additional landscaping on their property to help mask the back of the building, and also to provide walkways from their property to the commercial property. They are considering reducing the size of the second building by about two lease spaces and Planning and Zoning February 6, 1990 Page 5 of 9 Commission Meeting Minutes Lot 3 Block 3. Benchmark at Beaver Creek Conceptual Design Review, cont. providing more parking and landscaping. Materials would probably be wood siding and a low reflective metal roof. Buz Reynolds asked about the roof line on the north elevation. He stated that he felt that the landscaping on the north elevation, facing Sunridge, is very important. Terri Jeppson stated that her concern was also Sunridge, and she would like to see the use of evergreens along that side rather than aspen. Another concern is the limousine service and the matter that there may be too many vehicles in an already busy corridor. Riden stated that there may be only a couple cars there, basically it will be their office. It will not be a storage area for all their cars. Discussion followed on the zone district and what is allowed. Jack Hunn stated that he has some concerns about some of the uses, i.e. all the garage spaces provided and the fact that they will become automotive service related businesses and a lot of automobiles will be stored there. Riden stated that the concept is that they want to provide a space for the tenants to service their vehicles, i. e. the telephone store needs a place to install the phones in cars. He stated that the concept is that the local will drop t.ie car off for services and then pick it up. Hunn stated that he didn't think the long vehicles could get out of those garages. He also stated that there is a market for all of the services suggested and the he thinks that they will find that they are too successful and he feels the site is too tight for all of the proposed services. Denise Hill stated she liked the country store dea. She had some concerns regarding the circulation. John Perkins stated that he did not particularly care for the western look. It is not compatible with the country store look and neither are compatible with the surrounding areas. He suggested that, architecturally, they should look at the direction they are going. He stated that he didn't think the site plan will work once the setbacks are met. He thinks there are too many uses for the site. Planning and Zoning February 6, 1990 Page 6 o' 9 � A-, Commission Meeting Minutes Lot 3, Block 3 Benchmark at Beaver Creek Conceptual Design Review. cont. Chairman Doll stated that the main concern is that it is too busy. "-here also needs to be considerable work done on the north side to keep from offending the sunridge residents that will be racing the garage doors. The western facade is not appropriate for the area. As this was a conceptual design review, no formal action was taken at this time. Lot 71, Block 2, Ben chmark,at Beaver Creek, Conceptual Design Review Rick Pylman stated that this property is the lot between Beaver Liquors building and the Commercial Federal building. He stated the lot is about a half an acre in size. There is a 25' front setback with a 10' requirement for parking. The building coverages is about seven and a half thousand square feet. They've met the 20% minimum open space requirement. They have almost eleven thousand square feet of landscaping proposed; parking requirement is met at 30 spaces; one loading berth and a little over 2,000 square feet of snow storage. Pylman then showed a rendering of the site plan. Pylman pointed out an access that is to be shared with Buck Creek Plaza Building. He stated that the scale and style of architecture seems appropriate for the area. He has concerns regarding the ability of parking to function appropriately; the lack of pedestrian access, both along the front of the property, and from the street to the store fronts; and the presentation of the property to the street. Mark Donaldson, representing Bruce Allen, stated that they are anticipating the possible one-way street and that is why they have this building in the "L" shape so they can get as much store front exposure as possible. The spaces will be sold off. They are willing to install sidewalks along the front property line. He stated that there are some variations that could be provided regarding the parking spaces. Keep in mind though that there are two accesses to the site. Jack Hunn stated that he hes no problem with the concept of the building, but he is concerned with the metal roof shedding snow onto the walkways. Hunn asked about the coior of the roo . Donaldson stated that it would be a subtle, matt finish, a medium grey or green. They still need to do some color Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes February 6, 1990 Page 7 of 9 Lot 71 Block 2. Benchmark at -Beaver Creek Conceptual Design Review, cont. studies. Hunn stated that he shared Pylman's concern about the parking. Discussion followed on the location of the trash enclosure. Also, further discussed was the possibility of walkways in the area. Denise Hill stated her concern was also sidewalks and the row of parking at the front of the building is another concern. John Perkins echoed all the previous concerns. He stated that his only concern with the architecture is the gable ends. Buz Reynolds questioned the access for delivery trucks. Donaldson stated that the loading and unloading will all be done in the front doors of the retail spaces. Terri Jeppson also voiced concerns regarding the walkways and she also commented that she feels the parking area is very tight and very forced. She stated that she would also like to see more landscaping. Chairman Doll reiterated the above mentioned concerns of parking, sidewalks, circulation pattern and roof color. Since this was a conceptual design review, no action was taken. Rick Pylman stated that Jim Comeford, who represents a group that is developing a building called Avon Towne Square which will be located on the Lodge at Avon site, is present to introduce himself and discuss the project which will be coming in for review at a later date. Chairman Dolt commented on the article in the paper regarding the project. Jim Comerford stated that he basically, was here this evening to ask for Some direction on signage for the site. He stated that it would be a commercial center with retail facilities, and office spaces. Planning and Zoning February 6, 1990 Page 8 of 9 Commission Meeting Minutes He asked for some direction regarding a temporary sign for marketing purposes. The will oe asking for a variance from the allowed 16 square foot sign at the next regular meeting of the Commission He stated that the developer has done a mockup of a graphic sign that is an 8 x 16 sign. He stated that since the property sets so far back from Avon Road the larger sign will be needed. A 16 square foot sign does not allow for a graphic sign. The Commission asked that a .olor rendering be provided showing what the applicant has in mind. Considerable discussion followed on the requested size. The Commission stated that they would not consider a sign that large. Rick Pylman stated that he will make a site visit to determine what size sign will be appropriate for that site and will have a recommendation for the Commission and applicant by the next regular meeting. The Commission took no action on this matter at this time. Lot 4 Filing 1 Eaglebend Subdivision. Final Design Review Since no representative was present regarding the above described items, John Perkins moved to continue them to the next regular meeting on February 20, 1990. Buz Reynolds seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Jack Hunn moved to approve the minutes of the 1/16/90 meeting as submitted. John Perkins seconded. The motion carried unanimously. Other Business Considerable discussion followed on fractionalization and Wildridge. Jack Hunn commented the big purple bus parked at 51 Beaver Creek Place. Fick Pylman stated that he will check into it. Rick Pylman suggested the Commission do a group site visit for the up coming items. The Commission decided to meet at 4 p.m. on February 20th. Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes February 6, 1990 Page 9 of 9 John Perkins moved to adjourn Denise Hill seconded. The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Charlette Pascuzzi Recording Secretary