PZC Minutes 111985L
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
MINUTES OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
NOVEMBER 19, 1985
The regular meeting of the Avon Planning and Zoning Commission was
held on November 19, 1985 at 6:50 PM in the "town Council Chambers
cf the Town of Avon Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon,
Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Chairman !hike Blair.
Members Present: Marl: Donaldson, Mike Blair, Cheryl Dingwell
Jeff Maddo:;, Pat C:uny, Tom Landauer, Charlie
GersbLch
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Norm Wood, Director pf Engineering and Community
Development - Ray Wright, Engineering technician
Jim Williams, Building Administrator - Maggie Lach,
Recording Secretary
Work Sessinn
Wood reviewed agenda items of November 19, 1985 with Commission
members.
Wood asked that Commission membe=rs review proposed revisions to
Sign Code. He stated that diEtiicts had been eliminated, there is
more emphasis in sign programs and the quality of signs.
Regular Agenda Items - 7:40 PM
Citizen Input - Meyer's Ran h - Informal Discussion - Time Share
Tim Garton, representative of Meyer's Ranch stated that this
project was before the Commission 5 years ago, and at that time
they were proposing the Cottonwood Club which included 140
condominiums and 9,000 sq. ft. of commercial space. He stated at
that time, the market for condominiums dried-up substantially, and
he does not see this situation changing for the next several
years. Garton explained that two years ago they started studying
the time share market, which was not the original thought on this
project, but has gained more popularity. He stated that it
appears there is a demand for this type of project in this
location with the type of quality that they have in mind. 1he
eastern portion of the property, next to Sunridge, is wide and
very easily accessed. The western end, adjacent to Arrowhead
1,400 feet downstream, has access, but is narrower and slightly
more difficult. Garton further explained that western portion of
property would not be time share, but perhaps 1/2 dozen single
family lots. The current thought is to build 90 units of
approximately 600 - 1,000 sq. ft. Garton explained that time
share is a national and international product. He stated that *he
building would be a 3 story building similar to Manor Vail.
Commission then reviewed renderings submitted by Garton.
Garton explained that his opinion of time share had changed and
that 75 - 80% of time share that exists in the United States comes
from failed condominium projects, not from projects that were
designed as time share.
Planning & Zoning Meeting Minutes
November 19, 1985
Page 2 of 5
Citizen IFIPUt - Met'er's Ranch - Informal Discussion - Time Share,
Can't.
Gartan stated that projects that have been designed as time share
from day one, the layout, recreation facilities, the positioning
of recreation facilities and the restaurants, etc., have a much
better chance of success. He explai.ied that time share owners
typically spend twice as much as hotel guests because they have
already paid For their stay, so they have more in -pocket money.
Discussion followed.
Blair thanked Gartan for his presentation.
Lots 2 & 8, Blk. 3. BM @ BC - Temporary Parking Lots - Vail
Atasociates, Inc. - Design Review
Wright explained that Vail Associates was given approval last year
to use the Lodge at Avon site for temporary employee parking.
Since construction is scheduled for the site this winter, it is no
longer available for parking. Vail Associates has applied for
temporary approval for temporary use of employee par -Ping and bus
parking on Lots 2 and 8, Block 3. Plans call for employee parking
on Lot 2, which is located east of West Beaver Creek Boulevard,
between Highway 6 and Sunridge Phase II. Applicant plans to grade
site and put down gravel surface to minimize mud tracking onto
West Beaver Creek Boulevard. Parking attendant will be provided
and no overnight parking will be allowed. Bus parking is
requested for Lot 8, which is located west of West Beaver Creek
Boulevard, and south of the railroad tracks. The site is
currently fenced and this site will be graded and gravelled as
well. Plans call for this lot to be used when the west lot for
Beaver Creel: is filled with guest's cars, and approximately 60
days use is projected. Only bus parking will be allowed and the
lot will be chained and locked when not in use. Vail Associates
will be responsible for snow removal in both of these areas.
Craig Campbell, representative of Vail Associates stated that if
this request were not approved, they could potentially lose SOO
parking spaces.
Wood explained IoLation of lots from map to Commission members.
Donaldson asked if lots were left in good condition from previous
appro,,ral .
Wood stated yes.
Campbell then addressed items 1-7 of Staff report. He stated that
approximately 15 buses would be parked on Lot 8, and approximately
70 cars on the employee lot.
Dingwell motioned to approve the application as submitted with the
condition that the town be provided with copies of written
approval from landowners, and that the sites be restored after the
use period in good condition. Approval is for the 1985/86 ski
season, and this approval expires May 1, 1986.
Landauer seconded.
Passed unanimously.
Planning Ru Zoning Meeting Minutes
November 19, 1985
Page 3 of 5
Lot 72, Blk. 2. BM @ BC - Buck Creak Plaza - Beaver Liquors -
Door-wav Remodel - Design Review_
Cuny stepped down due to a conflict of interest.
Wood stated that this application is to modi+y an existing project
by enclosing the doorway. The owners association has submitted a
1=tter stating that they agree with the enclosure of the doorway.
the objective is to eliminate water leaking through the door down
to the electrical roam. Additional drawings have been submitted
showing the location and more detail.
Wood presented site plan to Commission.
Louis Jordan, applicant, presented photos for Commission review.
Jordan stated that roof would be metal and pitch of roof is 1:4.
Discussion followed on plan review.
Louis stated that doorway leads to cooler where empty kegs are
stored.
Donaldson stated that roof overhang is not characteristic of
building.
Jordan stated that overhang is needed to keep the snow out. The
overall height of enclosure is 8'x 7 x 8'3".
Dingwell motioned to approve application and applicant is to
provide staff with dimensions of the structure and roof line is to
be wrapped down to match the existing upper level roof line of the
building.
Landauer seconded.
Cuny abstained.
Motion carried.
Lot 45, Blk. 2. BM @ BC - Falcon Fainte Lodge - Time Share
Cuny rejoined Commission discussion.
Gersbach stepped down due to a conflict of interest.
Wood stated that when report from Commission was presented to
Council, they had questions as to the basis of the recommendation.
Staff is recommending that Commission take report with previous
determinations and explain why those determinations were made.
Commission then reviewed points 1 - 12:
1) Dingwell stated that once time share is approved, it cannot
change with the needs of the market.
Donaldson stated his concern was of the overwhelming neighborhood
opposition.
2) Donaldson stated there are 2 parts to statement: is the
proposed zone change in harmony and is the proposed use in harmony
with the character of the neighborhood. The zone change to SPA
appears to be spot zoning and the use refers to the intensity of
the hotel user.
Dingwell felt that use of neighborhood might change from year to
year.
Cuny felt there were other parts of neighborhood to consider other
than Beaver Creek West, and since time share is not present
anywhere else, it is not in harmony and it is also a different
use.
Planning & Zoning Meeting Minutes
November 19, 1985
Page 4 of 5
Lot 45 Blk. 2 BM C BC - Falcon Pointe Lodge - Time Share, Can't.
2, Con't.) Bill James, Town Manager, suggested that time share
may be very similar to the uses that are occuring at Falcon Pointe
and at Beaver Creek West. However, if SPA is approved, Council
needs to address the long-term characteristics of that area. This
is not a short-term solution. What is the plan for the area and
should it be addressed as a buffer zone. This was not the
long-term plan for the area. Shouldn't we address this as a
specific zone district in itself to allow for this use to occur or
not to occur.
Maddox stated that we do not know that this may not be i,r harmony
because we do not know the intensity of the use.
3) Donaldson asked what the need of this question was.
Cuny felt that because so many time share projects were approved,
she was not sure that this was a desired product. How many time
share projects are necessary or, good for the size of this town.
Dingwell asked if the Commission can be concerned with the
economic impact on the town.
4) Donaldson stated tnat Subdivision Regulations require that
satisfactory evidence be provided that the conversion of an
existing project to time share will not have a detrimental effect
on the availability of long-term rental housing or accommodations
in the town. He stated that Mitchell. explained certain things
that they were doing, but he did not feel it was satisfactory
evidence. Donaldson also stated that cn 'he other hand, this
project was never planned as employee housing, and is this a
viable request.
Cuny maintained that if they do not get the SPA, and they do not
get time share, she felt changes should riot be made to make the
applicant economically successful.
Discussion followed on displacement of housing.
5) Landauer felt that long-term effects would include surrounding
properties and properties to the west.
Cuny had concerns of Lot 46 requesting an SPA zone to be
compatible, along with surrounding properties.
h) No change.
7) Concensus of Commission was that impacts were not known and you
cannot long range plan spot zoning.
8) Donaldson felt it depended upon interpretation, a;id asked if it
were a hotel use.
9) No change.
10) No change.
11) Cuny stated Commission did not want time share because there
is enough time share already in Avon and it is not desireable for
that location.
12) Dingwell maintained that once project becomes time share, it
cannot be changed.
Commission agreed that Fractionalization Ordinance would prohibit
fractionalization of this project because it already has a
permanent Certificate of Occupancy.
Planning & Zoning Meeting Minutes
November 19, 1965
Page 5 of 5
Reading and Approval of P & Z Minutes of 11/5/85 Regular Meeting
Gersbach rejoined Commission discussion.
Donaldson motioned to approve the minutes of November 5, 1985
meeting as submitted.
Maddox seconded.
Passed unanimously.
Other Business
Blair and Comm_ssion agreed that there was no need to cancel the
second meeting of December- to be held on December 17, 1985.
Gersbach made comments on the image of Avon and concluded that
Avon has worked as hard as anyone and economic conditions were not
the same for Avon as they were for Vail when they started out.
Landauer suggested that Council and the Commission get together
for a joint meeting.
Discussion followed.
Blair asked Commission to consider, with the permission of the
Council, a study and analysis of time share.
There being no further business to discuss, Maddox motioned to
adjourn the meeting.
Dingwell seconded.
Passed unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 10:10 PM.
Re pectful mitted,
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M. Lach
Secretary
Commission Approval Date
M. Blair W C 7?4-A�
P. Cunt'
T. Landauer /j�J
C. Ding well
J. Maddox
M. Donalds
C. Gersbac