PZC Minutes 051084y
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
MINUTES OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 10, 1984
The regular meeting of the Avon Planning and Zoning Commission was held on
May 10, 1984 at 6:35 PM in the Town Council Chambers of the Town of Avon
Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon, Culorado. The meeting was called
to order by Chairman Bill Pierce.
Members Present: Mike Blair-, Clint Watkins, Pat Cur,,, Bill Pierce
Members Absent: Jim Meehan, Jerry Davis, Tom Landauer
Staff Present: Dan Fogland, New Building and Zoning Administrator - Maggie Lach,
Recording Secretary
Sign Code
T e -Commission Members did a rough outline regarding sign types, placement of
signs, size of signs and discussed various ways of speeding up the process of
getting the new Sign Code written.
Record shows that Tom Landauer arrived for the meeting at approximately 7:15 PM
Reading and Approval of P & Z Minutes of 4/26/84 Regular Meeting
Blair motioned to approve the minutes of the April 26, 1984 meeting with the
inclusion of the discussion of the Lodge at Avon Phase I, Lots 57-60, Block 2,
Benchmark Subdivision and recommend to the Town Council that the fee for conceptual
review be waived for 2 reasons: (1) The Commission was utilizing the review as
a concept and method of planning and design for the downtown area to put within
the Master Plan; (2) The Commission wants to use that process to encourage people
to have conceptual reviews rather than discourage conceptual reviews.
Curly seconded.
Pierce abstained.
Landcuer opposed.
Motion pa, sed.
Commission Members discussed the conceptual review fee as written in the Town of
Avon ordinance.
Blair, motioned to have staff give a review of the conceptual review procedure
for discussion so that tie Commission can consider making any changes to it.
Landauer seconded.
Passed unanimously.
Special Review Use - Density Transfer - Lot 1, Block 3 and Lot 56, Block 2,
Wildrid a Subdivision
Fog and
in the Special Review Use and explained that the request was for
a transfer of 2 units from Lot 1, Block 3 to Lot 56, Block 2 in Wildridge Sub-
division. Stated that there was no problem with the zoning requirements.
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Special Review Use - Density 'transfer - Lot 1, Block 3 and Lot 56, Block 2,
Wildrid . Subdivision, Con't.
Mar Donal son, arc itect for the project and applicant, stated that Lot 56 is
over 3 acres and has long frontage along Bear Trap Road and 2 easily buildable
sites with good road access. Lot 1 is the scarface of Wildridge Road with a
50 foot sheer cut in the center of the lot. Donaldson explained that access to
Lot 1 is almost impossible without significant expenditure to build a roadway.
To the west of Lot 1 is an access easement for 2 western lots, but as proposed
now, will not serve Lot 1 and is very steep at that point.
Pierce questioned applicant and asked if the buildable areas on Lot 56 were
adjacent to each other.
Donaldson answered that they were separated by a small gully.
Pierce mentioned concerns of having a site plan.
Donaldson stated that he had been working from a preliminary topo, but wasn't
willing to go any further until density transfer had been approved.
Blair reiterated that there will be 2 duplexes on the site and felt that it would
be appropriate to condition approval on a site plan. Stated that he had seen
the lots and what is proposed is more appropriate than trying to build a duplex
on Lot 1. Felt that 2 separate duplexes would be in keeping with the rest of
the area.
Pierce felt that area should be shown where duplexes will be built so that
Commission doesn't end up approving a fourplex rather than 2 duplexes.
Applicant understood that these were building rights being discussed, not design
rights. Stated that building rights would allow them to build units as prescribed
by Town ordinance and was not prepared with final design. Stated that they do
intend to build 1,000 S.F. 2 bedroom units and 1,300 S.F. 3 bedroom units which
are very small in scope and are 2 levels with minimal impact on area. Application
was not intended to be predicated on design restriction with the transfer of
density.
Pierce mentioned concerns over changing the character of neighborhood to fourplex
area and preferred to see duplexes.
Cuny and Blair felt that if transfer was approved, applicant would have to come
back with design to show how those 4 units were going to be used on new site and
make sure that site could hold 4 units with proper access and with building
design requirements that are there.
Applicant stated that he had been assured by staff that no drawings would be
needed at this time; did not have a problem with conditional approval at this time.
Stated he would be coming back with final grading plan, site and driveway plan,
snow removal, landscaping, parking, etc. Explained that he was not inclined to
do a 4 unit building and didn't have a problem with 2 duplexes. Applicant felt
that application for transfer of density was being confused with design review.
Stated that he was aware that final pians must be submitted.
Blair felt there was not a problem having approval with conditions of an acceptable
site plan.
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Special Review Use - Density Transfer - Lot 1, Block 3 and Lot 56, Block 2,
Wildridge Subdivision, Con't.
Pierce mentioned concerns that if site plan wasn't approved and building didn't
get built and someone else would purchase lot, they would put in a fourplex rather
than 2 duplexes.
Blair mentioned that approval would be carefully stated.
Cuny questioned if approval was conditional, would Council also approve with
conditions. Also mentioned greenbelt on Lot 1 that would be deeded to Town.
Watkins stated that a zone change would be needed and requirement that it be
deeded to Town as open space.
Watkins motioned to approve the Special Review Use request to transfer 2 units
from Lot 1, Block 3 to Lot 56, Block 2, Wildridge; that the approval be subject
to the rezoning of Lot 1 to open space and be subject to deeding Lot 1 to the
Town of Avon as open space; that the transfer be subject to approval of an
acceptable site plan for 2 duplexes on Lot 56, Block 2, Wildridge Subdivision.
Landauer seconded.
Pierce opposed.
Motion carried.
Lot 25, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision., Units C-13 & 14, Building 4 - Gordo's
of Aeon, Inc. - Sign Review
Fogland explained that the proposed sign includes illuminatign by 6 foott f orescent
tubes which was not part of original sign program for Christie Lodge. Sta�ed
that applicant had also requested a neon window sign which is 32" x 16".
Applicant, Lon Rogers of Gordo's, said that he wanted to use the same letters as
the rest of the building had, but to illuminate them.
Curry questioned if Christie Lodge had sign program, and if they did, the tenant
would just have to go to the association to have approval for signs.
Applicant stated that the association told him that whatever the Commission
approved would be fine with them.
Cuny stated that the purpose of the sign program was defeated if that was what
the association told him.
Lengthy discussion followed regarding undated letter for Christie Lodge sign
program, what was approved, what may be used for lettering and illumination.
Blair agreed that the association set no guidelines for tenants, and that the
outside letters should be the same as Western Sun Sports and that the neon window
sign was acceptable.
Applicant asked if he conformed with existing exterior signs and lettering with-
out illumination and kept the neon window sign, would that be acceptable to
the Commission.
Commission agreed that the neon sign was acceptable.
Watkins motioned to approve Gordo's sign review request for Units C-13 and 14,
Building 4, Christie Lodge with the provision that the sign on the outside of the
building not be illuminated.
Blair seconded.
Cuny felt that the sign program should be followed and the Christie Lodge would
have to come up with modified sign program that all tenants would have to conform
to.
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Lot 25, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision, Units C-13 & 14, Building 4 - Gordo's
of Avon, Inc. - Sign Review, Con't.
Landauer amended motion to say that Commission was acting on this item alone and
that this would not have any effect on future signs at the Christie Lodge.
Watkins amends.d motion.
M Blair amended second.
Cuny and Pierce opposed.
Motion passed.
Cuny suggested that a letter be sent to Christie Lodge regarding their lack of
direction to their tenants and lack of enforcement of their own sign program.
Blair suggested that this be discussed under other business.
Conceptual Review - Lot 17, Block 1, Wildridge Subdivision
Fogland explained that the review was to obtain an indication from the Commission
regarding the design of a fourplex unit connected only at the corners; the common
wall between units is approximately 4 feet long.
Site plan was distributed and discussed.
Applicants Mike Cronin, reaitor and part owner and Wayne Trueblood, builder,
presented and discussed their drawing with Commission.
Watkins asked how large the units would be.
Trueblood, applicant, stated that they would be 1,400 S.F. for a 3 bedroom/21; bath
and they were also going to try to use solar assisted hot water heat, hence
the design. They stated that they wanted to try something different rather than
all of the units being in a row.
Fogland asked how the roof would be tied together.
Trueblood stated that the roof was offset but had not yet put it on paper; was
looking for conceptual comments.
Blair liked the concept of the varied configuration and perceived separation, even
though the buildings are attached.
Pierce mentioned concerns of the project fitting the ground.
Trueblood stated that he had rearranged the buildings many times on the drawings.
Pierce stated that he liked the concept, but applicant should respect the topography.
Watkins asked about the 2 driveways shown on the drawing.
Blair and Landauer agreed that the 2 driveways were a real advantage, but should
corsider guest parking also.
No formal action was taken on this discussion, only conceptual comments were made.
Other Business
Discussio `ojlowed on letter to Christie Lodge Condo Association.
Conceptual review fees were discussed and will also be discussed at next meeting.
The recording secretary was asked to prepare a letter for Jim Meehan thanking him
for his time and input on the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Watkins states; that this was his last meeting and that he had enjoyed workinq
with everyone.
There being no further business to discuss, Cuny motioned to adjourn the meeting.
Watkins seconded.
Passed unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 9:30 PM.
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spectfully Submi d,
Margare M. Lacr
Recording Secretary
COMMISSION A
DATE:
Wm. Pierce; -
Mike Blair
Pat Cuny
Jerry Da
T. Landa
L. Kumpo
M. Donal