PZC Minutes 072883RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
MINUTES OF PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
JULY 28, 1983, 7:30 P.M.
The regular meeting of the Avon Planning and Zoning Commission was
called to order on July 28, 1983, at 7:35 P.M., in the Town Council
Chambers of the Avon Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon,
Colorado, by Chairman Bill Pierce.
Roll call was taken showing the following members present: Mike Blair,
Bill Pierce, Clint Watkins, Bob Zeeb.
Member(s) present after roll call: Jerry Davis.
Staff Present: Dick Kvach/Planning Director, Renee' Flader/Recording
Secretary.
Reading and Approva._of P & Z Minutes of 07/)4/83 Regular Meeting:
Clint Watkins moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of
07/14/83. Motion was seconded by [like Blair and was passed
unanimously.
Reading and Approval of_P & kf•linutes o� 07/07/83 Special Meeting:_
Chairman Bill Pierce pointed out that at this Special Meeting, the
Commission requested additional meetings to be held in the near future
rather than as scheduled and requested the date of 07/27/83 for the
next meeting; this had been excluded from the minutes.
Mike Blair moved to approve the minutes of the Special Meeting with the
addition made by Chairman Bill Pierce. Motion was seconded by Bob Zeeb
and was passed unanimously.
Parking. Recreational Vehicle• Lot 24. Block2, Benchmark Subdivision:_
Dick Kvach introduced the request of the applicant, Thomas Arnold, who
was not present for this meeting, that Mr. Arnold requests to park his
32' motor home and car trailer on the vacant lot next to the Buck Creek
Plaza Building, periodically until October 15, 1983. Dick explained
that the owner of Lot 24, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision, Dr. Steinberg
consented to Mr. Arnold's request and had signed a letter consenting
such. Staff recommended approval with the condition that the approval
expire October 15, 1983.
The Commission felt that the surrounding property land owners should be
contacted since Avon does not have any regulations relating to this.
Bob Zeeb suggested that he contact Vail Associates about the
pos3ibility of parking his vehicle with their buses in the Beaver Creek
parking lot.
Dick Kvach stated that in an earlier conversation with Mr. Arnold that
Mr. Arnold had informed him that if there was a problem with the Com-
mission approving his request, that it be tabled.
After short discussion, Jerry Davis moved to table this request. This
motion was seconded by [-like Blair and was passed unanimously.
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Dick Kvach introduced the request of the applicant, Avon Center, repre-
sented by Ned Gwathmey, that they be allowed (1) entrance modifications
which would include the addition of a door, the deletion of an overhead
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door, the addition of a canopy, screen wall and planters. The canopy
addition would be the same as those existing over Christy Sports and
Avon Liquors. This request is to provide for a Lodging Check -In area
inside the structure previously used for loading and unloading; (2)
the parking lot is being revised to include the area in Lo 55 and to
provide a more controlled traffic flow and three outside off-street
loading spaces. Staff recommended approval of the entrance modifica-
tions as presented and recommended approval of the revised parking lot
subject to: (1) that all parking areas, including driveways, be hard -
surfaced; (2) that either 60 degree or 45 degree angle parking be used
in the one-way areas, the minimum width for 60 degree parking shall be
18' and for 45 degree parking shall be 13'. The driveway width for
two-way traffic shall be a minimum of 24'; (3) that the driveway
entrance centerline be redesigned to intersect at a right angle with
the We6t Beaver Creek centerline; (4) that the island areas of the
parking be landscaped; and (5) that the proposed one-way traffic flow
be signed with "one way" signs.
Mike Blair pointed out the present parking problems at the Avon Post
Office and how this would affect the parking in relation to the post
office. The Commission felt that while revising the parking, there
should be some thought put into improving the parking.
The Board was generally pleased to see this request and was in favor
of taking action.
After lengthy discussion between Avon Center representative/architect
Ned Gwathmey and the Commission, Mr. Gwathmey requested this request
be tabled in order that he have more time to work on the parking lot
revisions.
Clint Watkins moved that this request be tabled at the request of the
applicant. Notion was seconded by Jerry Davis and was passed unani-
mously.
Benchmark Condominiums, DumPstX En9losur_QLLot 2, Block 2 Benchmark
Subdivision;
Dick Kvach explained the request of Benchmark Homeowner's Association,
that they be approved the design of the dumpster enclosure. The en-
closure will be constructed of 1"X6" lap cedar and the front will be
left open, yet the open side will not be visible from adjourning
streets. Staff recommended approval with the condition that the cedar
be sprayed with a preservative that allows the wood to retain its
natural color or that it be stained the same color as the existing
structures. The Commission approved this request.
Motion was made by Clint Watkins to approve, as recommended, this
request. Motion was seconded by Bob Zeeb and was passed unanimously.
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Chairman Bill Pierce did not participate with this item due to a
possible conflict of interest. Chairmanship was turned over to Vice
Chairman Mike Blair.
Dick Kvach introduced the request of the Vail -Avon Commercial Partners
and recommen' d approval of this request as presented. The structures
for the dumpster enclosures will be constructed of 1"X8" cedar chanel-
lap siding. The total structure will be 111X171. The front doors will
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have diagonal wood, the remainder of the siding will be vertical. It
will be stained the same color as the building.
After short discussion, Jerry Davis moved to approve the request of
the applicant, that the trash be in the northeast corner and that
appropriate paving be done giving access to empty the trash. Motion
was seconded by Clint Watkins and was passed unanimously.
Discussion of Off -Stream LoadingAeguireLnent was postponed to the
next regular meeting in order to discuss other business.
=,er Business-.
_QomprehensiYe__2 AiLL
Bill Pierce informed the Board that he wrote a letter to the Council
advising the Council (1) that the 7/7/83 meeting was good, (2) that the
P & Z asked for additional meetings, to which the P & Z never got any
answers back, (3) that at the last P & Z meeting, the P & Z asked to
have the next public meeting on 7/27/83 and this did not occur and
informed them (Council) that the P & Z is somewhat perturbed about it.
Bill also stated in this letter that it's very important to have pub-
licity on the Comprehensive Plan to get ?s many people involved in it
as possible and essentially left a question in the air as to who was
responsible for this publicity getting out and how to go about doing
it.
Jerry Davis stated that he attended the Tuesday Town Council meeting
(7/26/3) a,.c similar concerns and spoke on behal of Bill's
letter. Jerry stated Mike Blair was at this meeting and spoke to the
Council also. Jerry asked the Council if the P & Z could have their
meeting they've been asking for for a period of 3 weeks. Jecry stated
that Town Manager, Dick Blodgett, informed him there were plenty of
meetings and Jerry tried to point out that the P & Z felt there were
plenty of meetings, but not enough with public input, which was the
meeting of 7/7/83, and the Board did not feel one meeting was appro-
priate. Jerry also stated that he understood another effort was made
to have the meeting the Board had discussed and his personal feeling
was that the meeting would not occur because Plum Street will deny it
saying they would not be able to make it for some reason.
Bill Pierce stated that someone suggested to him that the Board hold
their own meeting and report to Plum Street what happened, but he felt
the report from Plum Street, when they were present first-hand, was
inadequate and questioned what type of ceport it would be if they were
not present for a meeting.
Jerry Davis added that at the Town Council meeting Dick Blodgett told
him that the Board needed to communicate with Plum Street. Jerry
informed Mr. Blodgett that "...that's what we're trying to do. We've
made every possible legitimate, hard-core, ass -kicking effort to get
across to them that we want another meeting and all we've gotten back
is a bunch of bullshit". Jerry stated he felt the people at the Town
Council meeting really didn't understand how strongly the P & Z feels.
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He stated he was very discouraged over the whole thing.
Clint Watkins stated he was under the impression that when this was
started there would be more than one public input meeting.
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Bill Pierce state his point was that "...it is naive, unprofessional
and ignorant of the process to think that one 3 hour meeting and
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sending out a bunch of questionnaires, that they actually think they
can solve the citizen input on that preliminary basis". Bill stated
further that somehow a greater effort has to be made to get more early
citizens' participation because there is millions of dollars invested
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here and people care about this Master Plan. Bill stated he talked to
members of the Vail Trail staff and they were extremely happy to cover
the meetings on a regular basis.
Bill further stated he would not admit in the report from Plum Street
that it was based on a total of 14 questionnaires. Jerry Davis agreed
with Bill as the Board in general did also. Clint Watkins also agreed,
and stated that he felt the Board's Minutes were more specific than
Plum Street's summary.
Jerry Davis stated he was willing to spend some time to put fliers out
before the 8/16/83 meeting, but he wanted a committment from someone
that this meeting was going to be similar to the 7/7/83 meeting.
Dick Kvach asked the Board if they wanted the 8/16/83 meeting to be
a combination of public input involved with goals and objectives.
Clint Watkins stated that the goals and objectives should be in the
following meeting. Jerry Davis stated, "we've been f --- ing yelling
at them for 3 God---- week:; about having another input session before
they have Goals and Objectives and we can't get it through anybody's
God---- heads that that's what we want".
Clint Watkins commented that he was very unhappy with the summary from
Plum Street, stating, "I would determine their summary unsatisfactory".
He stated further that the summary wasn't nearly as good as the minutes
of the Board. Jerry Davis agreed with Clint commenting that the Board
should somehow amend Plum Street's reports to include the Board's
Minutes.
Jerry Davis stated that he was discouraged and tired of it because the
town is going to get what Plum Street gives regardless, and at the 8/16
meeting Plum Street has already decided what they are going to do.
He stated he was not satisfied with the level of communication and that
Plum Street has made a major error in public relations regardless whose
fault it is and that this should be related to them.
After discussing their disappointments and communication problems with
Plum Street as described above, the Commission felt that the meeting
scheduled for 8/16/83 should be for more public input and postpone
discussion on Goals and Objectives until the next meeting.
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With no further business to discuss, this meeting was adjourned at
10:57 P.M., July 28, 1983.
Respec:tf��uppl__^.
Respectfully Submitted,
Renee' Flader
Recording Secretary
Planning & Zoning Commission
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