PZC Minutes 102783RECORD
AVON PLANNING
OCTOBER 27,
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OF PROCEEDINGS
AND ZONING COMMISSION
1983 - 6:00 P.M.
The regular meeting of the Avon Planning and Zoning Commission was called
to order on October 27, 1983, at 6:10 p.m., in the Town Council Chambers
of the Avon Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon, CO, by Chairman
Bill Pierce. Roll call was taken with the following members present:
Mike Blair, Pat Cuny, Clint Watkins, & Bill Pierce.
Staff present: Dick Kvach, Planning Director; Joyce Evans, Acting Recording
Secretary.
Members: Jerry Davis, Tom Landauer, & Jim Meehan were absent.
READING AND APPROVAL OF P & Z MINUTES OF OCTOBER I;i, 1983:
Corrections: Page 4 - The initial sentence directly under the heading P & Z Bylaws
should be set above that heading. Page 3 - On the discussion of three duplexes
on Lot 11, the last sentence in the second paragraph should state that the flat
roofs should be single ply membrane rather than single plywood slate. Page 5 -
Second to last paragraph - The question mark by Tom Landauer's name should be
removed and the word them should be then in the same paragraph. Bill Pierce
also stated that he would like the minutes to reflect the reason he voted nay
regarding the Lips Too Sign was he did not consider it a professional looking
sign and not regarding the morality issue that Mr. Davis brought up.
With these corrections a motion was made by Pat Cuny to accept the minutes of
the 13th. It was seconded by Mike Blair, and carried.
READING AND APPROVAL OF P & Z MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF OCTOBER 18, 1983:
Pat Cuny noted that on the types of light industry discussion there was not
enough details in the minutes. A motion for the approval of the minutes of
the meeting of the 18th was made by Clint Watkins and seconded by Mike Blair
and carried unanimously.
Because Linda Rodgers arrived
Sign, the commission decided
Benchmark's Sign, after which
Kvach explained the details o
discussion on the sign a moti
Benchmark Sign, it was second
SIGN ORDINANCE - Item 5
to represent Benchmark on the Bus Advertising
to jump down to item 7 on the agenda and review
they would return to the scheduled agenda. Dick
f the sign to the commission. After a short
on was made by Clint Watkins to accept the
ed by Pat Cuny and carried with Mike Blair abstaining.
Sections 15.28.010 through 15.28.050 of the proposed revised Sign Code were reviewed.
The following changes were agreed on:
a.
15.28.020C
Add "as
signs" at the end of the sentence.
b.
15.28.020
Add item H dealing with architectural harmony.
c.
15.28.030A
Revise
definition at Aggregate Area to read "the total
area of
all permanant signs on this premises".
d.
15.28.040E
Add to
the third line of the lst paragraph "...from
the adjoining
travel way".
e.
15.28.050C
Change
the filing time period from 15 days to 13 days.
f.
15.28.050H
Change
paragraph to read "....rejection in writing".
Delete
the remainder of the paragraph.
g.
15.28.050K
Change
reference to building permit to eign Permit.
h.
15.28.030E
Change
the words "cut out" to "individual".
There was much discussion as to how to measure the area of signs, and also how
to determine maximum area allowed for signs that go on buildings.
Pat Cuny noted that both terms Town Planner and Director are used. It was
discussed that possible building identification sign could be lighted plastic
but business signs identifying the business should be of some type of wood.
Also, in the discussion it was noted there is a difference between the pedestrian
and auto oriented signs. It was brought up that a multi -use building must submit
a sign program for the building. It was the general consenses of opinion that
altho they do not want to say that all signs must be the same they do want to
have conformity in the signs, instead of a hodge podge such as the Benchmark
�hupping Center is. Everyone agreed with the letter G and felt that there is
a lot of room for flexibility, as signs can be done to keep the mode of the
building and still have a basic uniformity.
Bob Warner's letter was mentioned, referring to the cost of getting a sign
approved.
There should be a criteria set for a basis of a sign program. Put a maximum
size on any sign for a business. A commercial sign allowance should not be
based on how much residential square footage in the building.
Lengthy discussion occured on what types of signs should be encouraged and
exactly how to measure signs so that it would be fair to the business owner as
well as Avon. Clint Watkins moved that this be taken up at the next meeting
and was seconded by Pat Cuny and carried.
BUS ADVERTISING SIGNS - Item 7
Dick Kvach explained the three signs, for Western Sun Sports, Dr. Bob's Video,
and C -Marcus. All three signs were denoted to be in good taste and professional
looking. Clint Watkins made a motion that the bus signs be approved. It was
seconded by Cuny and carried unanimously.
GRACE WHITE PROPERTY REZONING - Item 6
The question was brought up that - can a hearing be held at this time if the
property in question has not completed the process of being annexed into the
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Town. Since this was the case a motion was made to decline from taking any
action at this time on the Grace White property rezoning, by Clint Watkins.
Second by Mike Blair and carried. A lengthy discussion followed as to - if
this should be rezoned RHDC or if this should be left for park area. The
feeling of Bill Pierce was that Avon needs some areas along that section of
road to remain as a buffer or safeguard so that it is not all built up in a
congested commercial tract. since Beaver Creek and Avon are so concerned
about keeping a beautiful scenic view along Rt. 6, it was suggested by Mike
Blair, that possibly Beaver Creek and Avon could jointly purchase the land
they wish to keep as a buffer' aid could make a park,or what have you to keep
the pleasant look of green and space.
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BEAVER CREEK WEST SIGN - Item 8
Dick Kvach explained where the sign was to be located and the size and type of
sign. The commission objected to the design and location of the sign. It was
felt that the adjoining lot owners should be notified of the lighted sign to
see if there would be an objection. Mike Blair wanted it noted that it is
inappropriate to name something Beaver Creek or Beaver Creek West, when we are
in Avon. A motion was made by Clint Watkins to continue this sign proposal
until the next meeting so the people involved could be informed of the comments
by the commission. Cuny seconded and it was carried unanimously.
THE GREEN MACHINE SIGN - Item 9
�t Bill Pierce turned over the discussion to Mike Blair. Note --- staff comments
on the design - Kvach explained the initial type of sign - the word laundromat
in white plastic. Stuart Green, the owner of the laundromat, was open for
suggestions as to the type of sign the commission woul- like. The commission
objected to the white plastic letters and the word - laundromat. It was suggested
d to Mr. Green to consider the suggestions made and come back at the next meeting
Illy with another sign. This was agreeable to Mr. Green. The commission is striving
for uniformity in signs and suggested a wood frame with plexeglass and possibly
k lighted. Watkins made the motion to continue this at the next meeting, second
by Pat Cuny and carried.
Representatives for the Beaver Creek West Sign arrived, Michael Bennett and
Bronson Rumsey. They were told of some of the comments thecommission made - where
will it be visible, how close to the garage is it, what the back will look like,
what the sign itself looks like. Quite a lengthy discussion followed a: the
gentlemen answered questions and tried to explain the concept of the sign. The
sign is in place and the only thing they want to do is change the style and name.
The commission decided to stand by their original motion and it will be disucssed
at the next meeting.
THE LAND OF OZ REVIEW SITE PLAN & FENCE DESIGN - Item 10
Discussion regarding the pick-up and drop-off spots, fencing materials, and what
was required for final approval. Dick Kvach was asked for a copy of the minutes
of a previous meeting pretaining to this subject. Bill Pierce then read from
the minutes regarding all the points that must be completed before approval. Clint
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Watkins moved that 1 rid of Oz Day School be tabled until such time as they
have met with all cc cions attached to the approval. It was seconded by
Blair and carried. s would require approval of the conditions set by
September 29th meeti. Seconded and carried unanimously.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOAL STATEMENT - Item 11
Dick Kvach advised the commission that the goal statements with the corrected
notes are submitted for approval but that the land use policy statements are
not ready for approval at this time, as they are not well done, complete, or
consistent. Discus ion occured on what are goals, and what are land use Dolicies,
and the purpose of each. The commission felt that Plum Street has not polished
the comprehensive plan and it is not as professional as it should be at this
time. Pat Cuny made a motion that we communicate to Plum Street to revise
at least the first ten pages of the working goals to not have land use policies
and to make it compatible with pages 11 - 21 (end of the report). Second by
Watkins. Discussion - Mike Blair does not feel that the goals are very
professional and that for this amount of time something more complete should
have been put together. He also felt that this was nothing more than &Ifferent
things that were heard and discussed at the commission's meetings. Th44-slrauld-
'j be plan should be more easily understood and Plum Street should be professional
enough to accomplish this instead of just repeating things that they have heard.
By this time the report should be well organized and well stated and we should
have a document that looks and reads much better than what we have here. Mike
felt that this is an under -graduate report and the commission should not have
to re -write it. Revised motion - the motion contain the language that within
the first ten pages that the goals themselves be elaborated on to contain some of
the material found in the land use policies to make the goals more understandable.
This motion was made by Bill Pierce, second by Cuny, and carried.
OTHER BUSINESS - Progress keport #4 - Plum Street
The progress report was discussed including the charges for lodging and meals
for the consultants. Street classification materials and progress reports were
touched on.
By-laws for a water district that could be revised for our use has been reviewed
by Dick Kvach, this will be available at the next meeting. Clint Watkins
indicated he would be willing to review and revise the by-laws.
Motion to adjourn by Mike Blair, seconded by Cuny, carried. Adjourned meeting
at 10:03 p.m.
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Respectfully Submitted,
By
Joye� EyPs, Acting Recording Secretary
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