PZC Minutes 120183RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
MINUTES OF PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
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DECEMBER 1, 1983, 6:00 PM
The regular meeting of the Avon Planning and Zoning Commission was held on
December 1, 1983, at 6:00 PM in the Town Council Chambers of the Town of Avon
Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon, Colorado. The meeting was called
to order by Chairman Bill Pierce. Now
Members Present: Jerry Davis, Mike Blair, Clint Watkins, Bill Pierce
Members Absent: Jim Meehan, Tom Landauer, Pat Cuny
Staff Present: Jim Lamont, Planning Director, Maggie Lach, Recording Secretary.
Reading and Approval of P & Z Minutes of 11/10/83 Regular Meeting:
lint Watkins moved to approve the minutes of the November 10, 1983 meeting
with the changes as noted. Jerry Davis seconded the motion,. Motion approved
and passed unanimously.
Jerry Davis clarified the 3rd page of the minutes stating that if they move
the truck parking into island area, there would be ample parkins!.
Mike Blair noted that there was no discussion mentioned concerning the Sandstone
Creek Club. There was a lengthy discussion that ensued at that meeting. Bill
Pierce agreed that it should be mentioned.
Jerry Davis and Clint Watkins both brought up the by-laws and that certain
statements were given to Dick Kvach and that they were to be given back to the
attorney.
Record shows that Pat Cuny arrived for the meeting at approximately 6:30 PM.
Item 06: White Annexation, 3.5735 Acres: Conceptual Review
Several questions and lengthy discussion took place regarding annexation.
Jim Lamont described the property as being 3.5735 acres located adjacent to
Highway 6 east of Avon Road. Problem: Town would prefer to have applicant
annexation petition include portions of Highway 6 adjacent to property. There
was discussion on proposed zoning for annexed parcel. Bill Pierce felt that
the Zoning Commission was being used as a testing board concerning the annexation
and did not feel obligated to discuss the zoning until property is annexed,.
Peter Jamar, representative for applicant, clarified some points of the
annexation: application was tabled at Council level until they could update
legal description for public notices to include that stretch of Highway 6.
They wanted preliminary feeling from Commission. (Council felt strongly that
both should be considered concurrently for applicant and Town's benefit).
Specifics of project: 1.9 acres in flood plain, 1..66 acres developable, hour
glass shaped parcel. Parcel does meet all requirements for annexation.
(Council felt there v ; no question as to whether parcel should be annexed to
the Town or not). Reluest is for zoning to RHDC. The conceptual plan
envisions 2 buildable portions of the site.
Jerry Davis felt that the property would make a good park.
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Item #6: White Annexation 3.5735 Acres: Conceptual Review Con't.
Bill Pierce raised 3 points regarding Master Planning: 1 He would like buffer
zones between different communities in the valley and to create a sense of place
for Avon. 2) RHDC zoning permits 50% site coverage. Less than 1/2 of site is
developable. 3) The plan for the property is leading to an intensity of
development outside of the downtown area. A park seems to be the most acceptable
for the parcel. Jerry Davis agreed with that point as did Clint Watkins and
Pat Cuny. Jim Lamont said that the petition is being amended and resubmitted.
Dick Blodgett also mentioned that zoning can't be discussed yet because of
annexation process; need detailed land use plan. Jim Lamont suggests that
property needs a more sensitive land use plan.
Clint Watkins made motion recommending a continuation of the White Annexation
until the legal description is changed to include portions of U.S. Highway 6.
Secondly, he recommended that Council and staff enter into conversations and
negotiations with the Whites regarding the possible acquisition of this property
as a park or open space; thirdly, that before any other zoning requests are
considered, teat a much more sensitive land use plan of development be presented.
Pat Cuny seconded the motion.
Carried unanimously.
Item #7: Cit Plarket Roof Sign. Lot 67 & 68, Block 2, B.S.
im Lamont introduced Gary Fritzler, app icant. Mr. Fritzler is priposing sign
that would be on south end of building facing Highway 6 so it can be identified
from north side of the interstate. Requesting that free-standing sign in W.W.
corner be extended up co 22 feet in height. Jim Lamont mentions that under
the existing ordinance, he can find no way to justify applicant's proposal.
In order to get what Mr. Fritzler is asking for, he'd have to apply for a variance.
Definition in code allows calculations of 98.6 S.F. based on entire front of
super market. The proposed sign that the applicant is requestiong is 175 S.F.
This is 75 S.F. over, not including the existing sign that's there now. This
sign doesn't meet any portion of the sign code; the new sign code is even more
restrictive and would only allow Mr. Fritzler to 2 - 20 S.F. signs.
Pat Cuny moved that the request of City Market for a sign be continued at the
applicant's request.
Mike Blair seconded the motion.
Passed unanimously.
Item #8: Devel2 ment Si n, Wildwood Resort, Lot 5 Block 1, B.S. Temporary Sigr:
im amont mentions t at app scant is unable to ma a appearance.
This temporary sign poses problem in relation to the sign ordinance.
1) Sign ordinance all•-ws 16 S.F. - applicant hay 28 S.F.
2) Terminology - only permits certain things to be listed and may only have
Vail Associates, Inc. address on it.
Jim Lamont made known to applicant the problems existing with this application
and the applicant asked for a continuance until he can review the ordinance with
Lamont. Clint Watkins moved that staff continue the application of Wildwood Resort.
Pat Cuny seconded the motion. Bill Pierce verified that applicant does want
continuation to the next regular meeting.
Carried unanimously.
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• Item #10: Ply round Da Care Center Avon Center Lot 56 Block 2 6.5.
isi m Fiad been be ore the commission at an ear ler date. T ere are 2
unresolved questions: 1) drop-off and pick-up point for children; 2) Design
• and location of the playground.
Dennis Cole, representing the applicant, states 1) it is currently intention
to use parking area on Lot 55, owned by Don Chaplin. Town Council saw letter of
agreement between Don Chaplin, The Avon Center Partnership, Cal Colorado
40 Investors and Junior Village Day Care Program, which is the Hodomar Partnership.
The agreement makes available Lot 55 for the purpose of pick-up and drop-off
of children. The bus stop will not be used for pick-up and drop-off.
2) Design plan for approximately 1,500 S.F. of playground or recreation area
will be .ut on Lot 56. Day Care Center will put up split -rail fence and kids
will be ander adult supervision. Will be attractive area that will enhance
that end of Avon Center. If a problem arises concerning traffic congestion
at any given time during the day, the Day Care Center will rearrange that
schedule to alleviate that congestion. Day Care Center is sensitive to that
problem should it arise because it is a factor in marketing the project.
Clint Watxins moved to approve the location and final design of the playground
area.
Pat Cuny seconded the motion.
Carried unanimously.
Item #,I: Heritage Cablevision Office - S.R.U. - Lot '3 Z, Block 1� B.S. Unit 3
Jim Lamont presents the parTing space issue. Nature orr uTsiness is t'—Fat some
customer service will take place. Gene Larson, applicant, estimated 3-5 persons
per hour would come to the facility for customer service. Need to set aside 3
spaces in front of the office area as customer service. There are employees
in the building - 6 of which would be full time people. There are also offices
for the chief technicians., technical staff, sales staff, and chief regional
technician. There are approximately 15 employees. Parking on site - 5 people
are there permanently; 11 are service people. 11 parking spares are available -
need 13 spaces. The applicant did not bring a parking diagram along because he
was not previsouly requested to do so.
Dick Gustafson, participant in audience, owns Lot 36, next to Doyle's Warehouse.
Mentions that there is cable running across his lot to a reception disc. He
is not giving right-of-way for that and if he decides to build and it is approved
and it blocks the cable receiver, it will be the cable company's problem. He
also stated 1) if Rocky Mountain Cable didn't give this information to Heritage,
Heritage may have some cause of direction against them; 2) concerned what will
happen when he decides to use land; 3) his land could be used for parking lot
and is a leasable space.
Lamont recommended that until parking plan and supporting letters of agreement
are available that staff continue this until those documents are in hand and then
go through official procedure.
Bill Pierce is favorable with this request, that the parking is appropriate, and
that this does need to be continued.
Mike Blair moved that application be continued.
Clint Watkins seconded.
Motion carried unanimously.
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® Item #9: Christmas Tree Sales, Lot 55, Block 2, B.S. - Marty Jones - Planters
of Vail
Jim Lamont presents application - request is for a temporary Christmas tree lot
ft that would be in operation from December 2 - December 24, 1983. Wooden poles
would be installed for the purpose of stringing lights, supporting trees, wreaths,
garlands and other assorted greens to be sold there. Will either be enclosed
by fence or trees and will be removed at night. The lot will be removed on
- December 26, 1983. Mr. Jones read the letter of approval from Don Chaplin, owner
of the lot, granting use of that space to Mr. Jones. Mr. ones mentions that
there will be no problem using that space for parking - only part of the lot will
be used. Parking will be defined.
Jerry Davis mcved to approve the Christmas tree lot.
Clint Watkins was opposed.
Motion carried.
Item #12: Bus Advertising Signs
Turntable Restaurant - Sign is professional and in good taste.
Pat Cuny moved to approve the sign.
Jerry Davis stated that the sign was beautiful - finds nothing object,,.n,ible
and seconded the motion.
Carried unanimously.
Christie Lodge - Pat Cuny has seen the sign - Lips, Too! is making sign. States
that sign will have color and is being done professionally.
Pat Cuny made motion to accept application.
Jerry Davis seconded.
Motion carried unanimously.
Item #13: Response to Sandstone Creak Club Letter
Jir. Lamont suggests that to avoid the same possible situation again and to main-
tain the quality of the bus advertising signs, staff might want to hire an
advertising agent for the Town that sets the standards.
Jerry Davis said that it has always been his suggestion that it be a function
of the Planning Director. Pat Cuny states that The Town Council did have a
company come in to look at the feasahility and -lost of putting signs in the
budget and when the company made the report, the same one, she believed, that
did the Vail buses, that the cost was extremely high for Deal merchants. The
Town Council decided to keep it in-house, do it themselves, and cut the cost to
the merchant. The Town would have only reaped 22" of the profit or tl'e cost,
which the Town said it was not that concerned about, but as it turns out, it was
costing the merchant as much and the Town is getting 100;
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w Item #13: Response to Sandstone Creek Club Letter Con't.
Pat Cuny moved to have Clint Watkins write a letter to Cathrine Street of Sand-
stone Creek Club apologizing for her misunderstanding of staff's comments and to
write a letter to the Town Council telling them of staff's action and sending
them a copy of Clint's letter and copy of the original sign brought to the
Commission on November 10, 1983.
Mike Blair seconded.
1� Passed unanimously.
Item #14: New Business
Jim Lamont said there would be no sign code discussion.
Priority seems to be master plan - wants to work on design aspect of the master
plan levei rather than conceptual land use plan. Should be a theme approach
for the Town Center. Zoning will then fall into place when the design plan is
finished.
Jerry Davis mentioned that he'd like to follow the agenda as set up, meetings
are to start at 6:00 PM and they can discuss those issues for 11z hours.
Lamont would like to have work sessions where there's no official business to
discuss.
Bill Pierce does not want to touch public item until 7:30 PM.
Jerry Davis reiterates that real priority is master plan and Pierce agreed.
Pat Cuny wondered what happened to the recommendation staff made to Plum Street -
have heard no response.
Pierce stated that Kvach never informed Plum St.
Goal statements - Lamont said that the organization was major complaint to the
readers eye - many things not included, need to clarify objectives with land use.
Pierce stated that there was definite lack of respo-sible communication with regard
to Plum St.
Discussion on by-laws and Planninq and Zoning needs to know the rules and
procedures for definite organization.
There being no further business, Clint Watkins moved to adjourn the meeting.
Pat Cuny seconded. {
Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 10:00 PM.
Respectfully Sub ted, /9
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argare M. Lach
Recording Secretary
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