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PZC Minutes 120282RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS MINUTES OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING DECEMBER 2, 1982, 7:30 P. M. The regular meeting of the Design Review Board of Avon was held on December 4, 1982, at 7:30 p.m., in the Town Council Chambers of the Town of Avon Municipal Complex, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon, Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Vice -Chairman Mike Blair. Members present were: Tommy Landauer, Bob Zeeb, Mike Blair, Jerry Davis, Cheryl Dingwell. Member Bill Pierce showed up later. Staff Members present: Dick Kvach, Planning Director and Melody Cummings, Recording Secretary. Others present: Larry Kumpost & Dick Blodgett. The Chairman not being present the meeting was called to order by Vice-chairman Nike Blair. Item No. 1 Reading & Approval of DRB Minutes of 11/18/82. (This item was postponed to last item on agenda.) File Dick Kvach stated that the request is for Rick Cuny, dba Beaver Liquors to be allowed to put five (5) beer window signs in the front window of the store. The sign code allows up to 25 percent of the exterior window area to be covered by signs provided that the wording thereon is not repetitious of other signs in the immediate vicinity. The window the signs are to be located in is 6' x 4' (24 square feet). The total area of the proposed signs is 6.5 square feet and will cover 27 percent of the window area. The signs will be illuminated. It is recommended that the use of the window advertising signs be approved but that they be restricted to no more than three (3) signs displayed from the front of the building. Rick Cuny/applicant stated that on January 7, 1983 the liquor store will be 6 years old. He has always had neon signs. Did not know the signs had to be approved because the liquor store was prior to the town becoming incorporated. Due to the overhang of the roof area, the signs can't really be seen or considered obnoxious. Because of the location of the Benchmark Plaza building and the Christie Lodge, the building has been closed off from the view of Avon Road. Without these signs it is very difficult to know that the store is open. Signs are turned off at the close of business hours and because of this being new the employees forget to turn them on in the morning. Feels these signs are needed very much for his business. Has only 1 window that faces that area. Cheryl Dingwell stated that because of cars parking in front of the store and because of the overhang the signs are blocked. Jerry Davis stated that the Board needs to consider what the ordinance sayo about the amount of window coverage. Rick Cuny stated that there are two ways the ordinance can be interpreted - one being 25 percent of the window area that the sign appears in or the total window area in the store. Dick Kvach stated that if it c... -.es to an interpretation like that the more restrictive course of action is taken. Bill Pierce moved that the Board approve Beaver Liquors signs and allow these 5 signs to be placed in the window based on the interpretation that the ordinance means that you may cover 25 percent of your aggregate window area of your business rather than 25 percent of a single window. Motion was seconded by Jerry Davis and -1 rte.._ .....moi 1.. _.­_ .--..._.. Members present were: Tommy Landauer, Bob Zeeb, Mike Blair, Jerry Davis, Cheryl Dingwell. Member Bill Pierce showed up later. Staff Members present: Dick Kvach, Planning Director and Melody Cummings, Recording Secretary. Others present: Larry Kumpost & Dick Blodgett. The Chairman not being present the meeting was called to order by Vice-chairman MCke Blair. Item No. 1, Reading & Approval of DRB Minutes of 11/18/82. (This item was postponed to last item on agenda.) Item No. 2, Beaver Liquors, Signs, Lot 72, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision, File No. 82-12-1. Dick Kvach stated that the request is for Rick Cuny, dba Beaver Liquors to be allowed to put five (5) beer window signs in the fro --it window of the store. The sign code allows up to 25 percent of the exterior window area to be covered by signs provided that the wording thereon is not repetitious of other signs in the immediate vicinity. The window the signs are to be located in is 6' x 4' (24 square feet). The total area of the proposed signs is 6.5 square feet and will cover 27 percent of the window area. The signs will be illuminated. It is recommended that the use of the window advertising signs be approved but that they be restricted to no more than three (3) signs displayed from the front of the building. Rick Cuny/applicant stated that on January 7, 1983 the liquor store will be 6 years old. He has always had neon signs. Did not know the signs had to be approved because the liquor store was prior to the town becoming incorporated. Due to the overhang of the roof area, the signs can't really be seen or considered obnoxious. Because of the location of the Benchmark Plaza building and the Christie Lodge, the building has been closed off from the view of Avon Road. Without these signs it is very difficult to know that the store is open. Signs are turned off at the close of business hours and because of this being new the employees forget to turn them on in the morning. Feels these signs are needed very much for his business. Has only 1 window that faces that area. Cheryl Dingwell stated that because of cars parking in front of the store and because of the overhang the signs are blocked. Jerry Davis stated that the Board needs to consider what the ordinance says about the amount of window coverage. Rick Cuny stated that there are two ways the ordinance can be interpreted - one being 25 percent of the window area that the sign appears in or the total window area in the store. Dick Kvach stated that if it comes to an interpretation like that the more restrictive course of action is taken. Bill Pierce moved that the Board approve Beaver Liquors signs and allow these 5 signs to be placed in the window based on the interpretation that the ordinance means that you may cover 25 percent of your aggregate window area of your business rather than 25 percent of a single window. Motion was seconded by Jerry Davis and was passed unanimously. Mike Blair turned the chair over to Bill Pierce. -1- ID Item No. 3, Lips, Toon Sign Lot 72 Block 2 Benchmark Subdivision, File No. 82-12-2. Dick Kvach stated that the request of Rick Cuny dba Lips, Too! to be allowed to put a window advertising sign in the front window of the Lips, Too! store. The sign code allows up to 25 percent of the exterior window area to be covered by signs provided that the wording thereon is not repetitious of other signs in the immediate vicinity. The proposed sign will comply with all requirements of the sign. code. It will be illuminated. It is recommended that the use of the window advertising sign be approved. Tommy Landauer moved to approve Lips, Too! sign. Motion was seconded by Cheryl Dingwell and was passed aimously. Item No. 4 Sign Ordinance Discussion - Dick Kvach Dick Kvach stated these amendments had been proposed to the existing sign code ordinance. The Council felt that it would be better to go through and revise all the problems throughout the entire ordinance rather than patchwork in a few areas. Larry Kumpost stated the Council agreed with what was being Zone and passed it on first reading with minor typos. The Council decided they don't want to start passing ordinances unless its clear what it means. An example is a Project Identification sign and Multi -Business sign could be interpreted in two separate ways. Dick Kvach stated that the Councils direction is to re -write the ordinance. Mike Blair suggested that all the members make some notes as to what they would like then give that to Dick Kvach. Cheryl Dingwell suggested that some of the specific issues or applications should be reviewed such as neon signs and window area coverage; multiple signage transfer; maximum square footage allowed for multi -business signs. Dick Blodgett mentioned a Sign Program in Winter Park where 2 shopping centers had to come up with a theme for each building. They used a Directory type sign with the building name and individual small business signs under it. Jerry Davis also suggested something be put in the ordinance addressing flags. Sign height should also be looked at. Also illuminated signs ,ay on during business hours or 24 hours. Putting signs on other people's property. Real Estate and Development signs need to be defined more clearly as to what is allowed on the sign. Exterior lighting of signs needs to be looked at. Dick Kvach stated that if the members have any other comments or questions for consideration that they call him at the office. Item No 5 Changing of Meeting date from Thursdays to Tuesdays - Dick Kvach. Dick Kvach explained the reason for this request is to be able to get materials prepared in time enough for the Town Council meetings. After lengthy discussion the Board decided to change the meeting day to Thursdays following the second and fourth Town Council meeting. This will become effective. in January 1983. Item No. 6 Recommendation of Approval of Snow Ordinances 1182-21, 1182-22, 1182-23. Dick Blodgett explained theordinances are set up to: 1) 1182-21 establish criteria for on-site snow storage as well as being hauled away to another site; 2) 1182-22 snow removal from driveways and roofs; 3) 1182-23 obtaining a permit/license to plow snow. Falls under 3 different categories: licensing process, plat act & nuisance. advertising sign be approved. Tommy Landauer moved to approve the Lips, Too! sign. Motion was seconded by Cheryl Dingwell and was passed unanimously. Item No. 4. Sign Ordinance Discussion - Dick Kvach Dick Kvach stated these amendments had been proposed to the existing sign code ordinance. The Council felt that it would be better to go through and revise all the problems throughout the entire ordinance rather than patchwork in a few areas. Larry Kumpost stated the Council agreed with what was being done and passed it on first reading with minor typos. The Council decided they don't want to start passing ordinances unless its clear what it means. An example is a Project Identification sign and Multi -Business sign could be interpreted in two separate ways. Dick Kvach stated that the Councils lirection is to re -write the ordinance. Mike Blair suggested that all the members make some notes as to what they would like then give that to Dick Kvach. heryl Dingwell suggested that some of the specific issues or applications should be reviewed such as neon signs and window area coverage; multiple signage transfer; maximum square footage allowed for multi -business signs. Dick Blodgett mentioned a Sign Program in Winter Park where 2 shopping centers had to come up with a theme for each building. They used a Directory type sign with the building name and individual small business signs under it. Jerry Davis also suggested something be put in the ordinance addressing flags. Sign height should also be looked at. Also illuminated signs only on during business hours or 24 hours. Putting signs on other people's property. Real Estate and Development signs need to be defined more clearly as to what is allowed on the sign. Exterior lighting of signs needs to be looked at. Dick Kvach stated that if the members have any other comments or questions for consideration that they call him at the office. Item No. 5, Changing of Meeting date from Thursdays to Tuesdays - Dick Kvach. Dick Kvach explained the reason for this request is to be able to get materials prepared in time enough for the Town Council meetings. After lengthy discussion the Board decided to change the meeting day to Thursdays following the second ar9 fourth Town Council meeting. This will become effective in January 1983. Item No 6 Recommendation of Approval of Snow Ordinances 1182-21, 1182-22, 1182-23. Dick Blodgett explained theordinances are set up to: 1) 1182-21 establish criteria for on-site snow storage as well as being hauled away to another site; 2) 1182-22 snow removal from driveways and roofs; 3) 1182-23 obtaining a permit/license to plow snow. Falls under 3 different categories: licensing process, plat act E nuisance. After considerable discussion Bill Pierce summarized the DRB's concerns as follows: 1. As far as plowing snow on public property we do favor it except in some cases snow that is currently on public property that is impeding access to private -2- property might be allowed to remain on the public property but not by any property owner that would increase the snow deposited on public property. 2. As far as the nuisance problem with snow falling off the roofs the DRB agrees that is a major problem but don't have a solution to it. We will look towards things like snow fences, length of drop, kill -zones and things of that sort as we look at other buildings. 3. As far as the licensing there are no problems, keeping in mind that pLivate individuals have the right if not for hire. 4. Also it is hard to say what accummulation is possible or not. Possibly re -arrange the definition so that it doesn't say 4 inches or 2 inches, put it in general terms, require that area be kept passable. The Board recommended the following revisions and action: 1. Ordinance No. 82-21, Section 17.20.190(B) delete "nor more than 12 feet wide." Paragraph (C) Need to check with the Town Engineer - recommendation from the Town Engineer be sent back to the DRB recommending a difference between requirements for a duplex versus a larger project. Hold, do not send to Town Council. Pending further review. 2. Ordinance No. 82-22 Nuisance - Recommend adoption with the following changes: Section 8.24.110(B) 4 inches be deleted - to be re-writter. saying to the effect that the area must be kept passable. 3. Ordinance No. 82-23 - Recommend adoption with the following changes: Section 5.20.070(A) - add "unless approved by the Town." Jerry Davis suggested that in posting the Public Notices for Hearings, he would rather see them in the newspapers. He offered to put them on the TV if possible. Cheryl Dingwell moved to approve the Minutes of 11/4/82 meeting. Motion was seconded by Bob Zeeb and was passed unanimously. Mike Blair moved to adjourn the meeting. Motion was seconded by Cheryl Dingwell and was passed unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted: Melody Cumengs Recording Secretary Design Review Board