PZC Minutes 120281RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
MINUTES OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING
DECEMBER 2, 1981, 7:30 P. M.
The regular meeting of the Design Review Board for the Town of Avon was
he.: on December 2, 1981, at 7:3i P. R., in the Town Council Chambers
of the Town of Avon Municipal Building, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon,
Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Bill Pierce.
Board rieiibers present were Bob Zeeb, Tommy Landauer, Bill Pierce, Mike
Blair, Jerry Davis. Staff Members present were Terrill Knight and
Dick Evans.
Item #1, Century 21 Ewinq-Bachman, Temoorary Sion. Avon C
Van Ewing made the presentation. He stated that he wanted to amend the
application to request a temporary sign until there is an adopted
Sign Program for the entire Avon Center Commercial Project.
Terrill stated that the information originally submitted requesting a
51 square foot sign which is permissible under the regulations provided
that this is this entity's designated share. Mr. Ewing is following
the correct procedure in making sure each individual sign conforms with
the ovrrallsign program for Avon Center.
Bill stated that the Board has approved temporary signs for businesses
while a sign program is being worked out. Buck Creek Plaza was an example.
Van Ewing requested a 2' x 5' temporary sign with the Century 21 logo.
Asking for two (2) months.
The Board granted approval for the sign for 2 months. It will be a total
of 10 square feet in size. Can be put up until February 2, 1982.
Item #2, Upper Eagle Valley Sanitation District, Modular Office Tract N
Block 3, Benchmark Subdivision, File No. 81-11-3.
Mike Poeckes made the presentation. Requesting approval to add a 14' x 70'
modular building to the present building. It will be used for additional
office space and lunch area for the employees. It will be a permanent
structure. It was originally designed as a wastewater treatment plant for
the Avon area. They have now taken over management of the Vail water and
sanitation district. The work load and work force has increased to a point
where the building is not adequate for the administrative headquarters.
There are about 13 water districts which they handle.
The additional space will be used for 2 offices and a lunch area for the
employees. There will not be anyone living there. It will be about 960
square feet. Bill asked Terrill if any additional parking will be needed.
Terrill stated this is zoned under Public Use. The standards are not as
specific as in most zones. It appears that the design increase does increase
the size of the building but doesn't necessarily increase the size of the use.
There aren't enough direct standards to answer the question of parking.
Dick stated that they have more parking than they need. There will be no
conflict with the parking.
Mike Poeckes stated that they may need 1 more parking space as they will
be using 1 more truck on the road. If they do need the extra parking, then
they will come back before the Board.
helo on December 2, 15n1, at 7:30 P. M., in the Town LounciI Chambers
of the Town of Avon Municipal Building, 400 Benchmark Road, Avon,
Colorado. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Bill Pierce.
Board Members present were Bob Zeeb, Tommy Landauer, Bill Pierce, Mike
Blair, Jerry Davis. Staff Members present were Terrill Knight and
Dick Evans.
Item #1, Century 21 Ewing -Bachman, Temporary Sign, Avon Center, Lots
A, B, C, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision, File No. 81-11-2.
Van Ewing made the presentation. He stated that he wanted to amend the
application to request a temporary sign until there is an adopted
Sign Program for the entire Avon Center Commercial Project.
Terrill stated that the information originally submitted requesting a
51 square foot sign which is permissible under the regulations provided
that this is this entity's designated share. Mr. Ewing is following
the correct procedure in making sure each individual sign conforms with
the overall sign program for Avon Center.
Bill stated that the Board has approved temporary signs for businesses
while a sign program is being worked out. Buck Creek Plaza was an example.
Van Ewing requested a 2' x 5' temporary sign with the Century 21 logo.
Asking for two (2) months.
The Board granted approval for the sign for 2 months. It will be a total
of 10 square feet in size. Can be put up until February 2, 1982.
Item #2, Upper Eagle Valley Sanitation District, Modular Office, Tract N,
Block 3, Benchmark Subdivision, File No. 81-11-3.
Mike Poeckes made the presentation. Requesting approval to add a 14' x 70'
modular building to the present building. It will be used for additional
office space and lunch area for the employees. It will be a permanent
structure. It was originally designed as a wastewater treatment plant for
the Avon area. They have now taken over management of the Vail water and
sanitation district. The work load and work force has increased to a point
where the building is not adequate for the administrative headquarters.
There are about 13 water districts which they handle.
The additional space will be used for 2 offices and a lunch area for the
employees. There will not be anyone living there. It will be about 960
square feet. Bill asked Terrill if any additional narking will be needed.
Terrill stated this is zoned under Public Use. The standards are not as
specific as in most zones. It appears that the design increase does increase
the size of the building but doesn't necessarily increase the size of the use.
There aren't enough direct standards to answer the question of parking.
Dick stated that they have more parking than they need. There will be no
conflict with the parking.
Mike Poeckes stated that they may need 1 more parking space as they will
be using 1 more truck on the road. If they do need the extra parking, then
they will come back before the Board.
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Terrill commented that a plan would be helpful. Dick stated that a plan
wouldn't be needed for Conceptual Review but it would be needed for the
Building Department. It would need a complete breakdown of parking and
soforth.
Bill - as a conceptual request the Board would ask that they submit a more
accurate plan showing where an extra parking space may be needed.
Mike Poeckes stated they will probably finish the modular off with a
sheet metal finish similar to the present building. It will blend in
with what is already there.
Bill stated that they will have to bring in a picture of what they want
to do, samples of the materials they'll be using, a site plan showing
where it will be located and whatever improvements, if needed, there will
be for the parking.
Conceptually, the Board had no problem. (let the record show this was
a Conceptual Review and did not require any action from the Board).
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GTry Frizter made the presentation. Requesting approval to place various
signs around the Town to help people find the City Market Supermarket.
Terrill stated that the application as submitted does not comform with
any section of the regulations. Section 7 allows for variances. He
also said that he is proposing to the Town a revised Sign Code which will
address three (3) areas for signs. 1 -Traffic related, 2 -Pedestrian Oriented
and 3 -Limited use of Highway Business Signs. Would not recommend that all
of the signs which are being presented be approved. He feels that the Town
should allow signs to be placed on Town property if they will benefit the Town.
He suggested a sign which might be constructed by the Town which in turn, would
leave space for businesses not for competition purposes but for the purposes
of letting people know what services art! available in Avon. He feels that
some better notice of the facilities available in Avon would benefit the
Community.
8411 asked what is the allowable square foctage for the building?
Terrill stated that under the Single Business Sign allowance the maximum
square footage would be 64 square feet.
Sign N4 proposed was 891 square feet in size (SUPERMARKET). It was to be
placed on the Southside of the building. The reason being so that people
can see it from the ski resort area and Highway 6. Gary stated that because
of the construction and development in Avon they aren't as easy to locate
flow.
Cynthia Jordan of Beaver Liquors stated that their business is more hidden
than City Market. People still manage to find them. They aren't asking
to put signs all over the Town.
Tio Prinster of City Market - Would like to I..ve directional signs to help
find the store. Feels there is a potential traf-°ic problem here in Town due
to the construction. The signs would help to identify the store more easily.
Al Alpi - Mayor of Avon - stated that he feels each sign should be reviewed
and discussed on an individual basis.
Bill stated that the Board does have certain rules and regulations that they
must work with and follow, such as a maximum of 64 square feet for a sign
under the Single Business Sign.
Al stated that the Board could grant a Variance. Bill asked if a Variance has
been applied for under the proper procedures. Terrill stated that under
Ord nance Mo. 1, Serifs of 10P1 "Sign CoriP", it has it's own Variance section
• sheet metal Finish � , lar to the present buSiding. It will blend
with what is already there.
Bill stated that they will have to bring in a picture of what they want
to do, samples of the materials they'll he using, a site plan showing
where it will be located and whatever improvements, if needed, there will
be for the parking.
• Conceptually, the Board had no problem. (let the record show this was
a Conceptual Review and did not require any action from the Board).
• Item #3, Cit Market, Public Hearing for Signs, Lots 67, 68, Block 2,
Benchmark Su ivision, Fi e No. 81
" GcTry Frizter made the presentation. Requesting approval to place various
signs around the Town to help people find the City Market Supermarket.
Terrill stated that the application as submitted does not conform with
any section of the regulations. Section 7 allows for variances. He
also said that he is proposing to the Town a revised Sign Code which will
address three (3) areas for signs. 1 -Traffic related, 2 -Pedestrian Oriented
and 3 -Limited use of Highway Business Signs. Would not recommend that all
of the signs which are being presented be approved. He feels that the Town
should allow signs to be placed on Town property if they will benefit the Town.
He suggested a sign which might be constructed by the Town which in turn, would
leave space for businesses not for competition purposes but for the purposes
of letting people know what services are available in Avon. He feels that
some better notice of the facilities available in Avon would benefit the
Community.
Bill asked what is the allowable square footage for the building?
Terrill stated that under the Single Business Sign allowance the maximum
square footage would be 64 square feet.
Sign #4 proposed was 891 square feet in size (SUPERMARKET). It was to be
placed on the southside of the building. The reason being so that people
can see it from the ski resort area and Highway 6. Gary stated that because
of the construction and development in Avon they aren't as easy to locate
now.
Cynthia Jordan of Beaver Liquors stated that their business is more hidden
than City Market. People still manage to find them. They aren't asking
to put signs all over the Town.
Tio Prinster of City Marko Would like to have directional signs to help
find the store. Feels there is a potential traffic problem here in Town due
to the construction. The signs would help to identify the store more easily.
Al Alpi - Mayor of Avon - stated that he feels each sign should be reviewed
and discussed nri an individual basis.
Bill stated that the Board does hive certain rules and regulations that they
rust work with and follow, such as a maximum of 64 square feet for a sign
under the Single Business Sign.
Al stated that the Board could grant a Variance. Bill asked if a Variance has
been applied for under the proper procedu.-es. Terrill stated that under
Ordinance No. 1, Series of 1981 "Sign Code", it has it's own Variance section
but no procedure has been developed. The entire Variance Section, Section 7
reads "The Design Review Board shall have authority to grant variances from
this regulation provided the same are minor and undue hardship would otherwise
result". He stated that there i. no set procedure but the signs could be dealt
with any way the Board desires.
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Bill asked if there were any further questions or comments from the audience.
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either Town of Avon or the State Highway Department. If this is the case then
there would be one more requirement and that would be to get permission to
r use this property.
Gary stated that he intended to check into this.
=�® Discussion was then opened to the Board. Bill stated that some format should
be set as to whether the signs should be discussed individually or as a group.
Jerry stated that they would have to be discussed individually due to being
on separate applications. He stated that he would not accept any signs that
are not on City Market property. He feels that City Market should not be
allowed special signs for their business only. It wouldn't be fair to the
other businesses in Town. He would like to see a sign that would benefit
all the businesses.
Mike stated that there are two (2) groups of signs; 1 on-site and 1 off-site.
He doesn't feel that he could agree with any off-site signs at all. The
regulation doesn't allow for this so the Board cannot allow it.
Bill stated that due to some type of technicality, the application is
incomplete on those items. The Board would be happy to discuss and review
it formally at a different time within a location that is within City Market
property lines.
Bob commented that City Market could address this matter by maybe putting
ads in the Vail Trail or maybe the yellow pages of the Phone Directory.
Bill - the Board does not have any right to review signs that are not on
City Market property and for that reason alone, the Board will dl�,cuss those
items but will not be able to take any action until City Market can prove
that they do have the right to use property other than their own or put the
signs on City Market property.
Mike - the Board would be more helpful it it considered on-site signs only.
The off-site signs should not be given any further consideration at this
meeting.
Terrill stated that because this is a formal action a formal motion should
be made.
Mike made a motion that consideration of the applications by this Board be
limited to signs or action on the property itself and that any other signs
for which application is made by the applicant be deferred to the next
regular meeting of this Board with more specific application. Motion was
seconded by Bob, passed unanimously.
Bill stated that the Board would be limited only to signs within City Market's
property line.
Sign No. 1 - 60 square feet in size. Sign No. 4 - 891 square feet in size.
Existing sign on the building now is approximately 72 square feet.
Dick stated that the existing sign was approved with the building. It did
not conform with any sign code.
Terrill stated he wanted to correct a statement he had made earlier based
on an assumption. The sign can be either 25 feet or not higher than the
height of the building. When the height was mentioned, he didn't assume
the building was that tall.
Bill - City Market sign presently on the building is approximately 72 feet.
This sign as it is, if it is in fact 72 square feet, is in excess of what
the Ordinance allows, but it might be considered to be appropriate to the
size of the buildinq.
Discussion was tnen opened to gyne boaro. bill statea that some tormat should
be set as to whether the signs should be discussed individually or as a group.
Jerry stated that they would have to be discussed individually due to being
on separate applications. He stated that he would not accept any signs that
are not on City Market property. He feels that City Market should not be
allowed special signs for their business only. It wouldn't be fair to the
other businesses in Town. He would like to see a sign that would benefit
all the businesses.
Mike stated that there are two (2) groups of signs; 1 on-site and 1 off-site.
He doesn't feel that he could agree with any off-site signs at all. The
regulation doesn't allow for this so the Board cannot allow it.
Bill stated that due to some type of technicality, the application is
incomplete on those items. The Roard would be happy to discuss and review
it formally at a different time within a location that is within City Market
property lines.
Bob commented that City Market could address this matter by maybe putting
ads in the Vail Trail or maybe the yellow pages of the ?hone Directory.
Bill - the Board does not have any right to review signs that are not on
City Market property and for that reason alone, the Board will discuss those
items but will not be able to take any action until City Market can prove
that they do have the right to use property other than their own or put the
signs on City Market property.
Mike - the Board would be more helpful it it considered on-site signs only.
The off-site signs should not be giver, any further consideration at this
meeting.
Terrill stated that because this is a formal action a formal motion should
be made.
Mike made a motion that consideration of the applications by this Board be
limited to signs or action on the property itself and that any other signs
for which application is made by the applicant be deferred to the next
regular meeting of this Board with more specific application. Motion was
seconded by Bob, passed unanimously.
Bill stated that the Board would be limited only to signs within City Market's
property line.
Sign No. 1 - 60 square feet in size. Sign No. 4 - 891 square feet in size.
Existing sign on the building now is approximately 72 square feet.
Dick stated that the existing sign was approved with the building. It did
not conform with any sign code.
Terrill stated he wanted to correct a statement he had made earlier based
on an assumption. The sign can be either 25 feet or not higher than the
height of the building. When the height was mentioned, he didn't :ssume
the building was that tall.
Bill - City Market sign presertly on the building is approximately 72 feet.
This sign as it is, if it is in fact 72 square feet, is in excess of what
the Ordinance allows, but it might be considered to be appropriate to the
size of the building.
Terrill - signs can be larger or smaller based on the building design.
Bill - to approve Sign No. 1 in addition to the one on the building we'd
be talking about approximately 130 square feet of signage.
Jerry commented that Sign No. 1 (60 sq.ft.) is within the consideration of
the Board, but sign No. 4 (891 sq.ft.) is too much.
Mike feels this is not a minor change. It would require a variance.
Tommy stated they are already over the allowance. Sign #4 is too much.
Sign #1 could be discussed but feels a variance would be needed. Bob agreed.
Bill summarized what the Board discussed. Sign #1 is a 60 sq.ft. sign that
is intended for westbound traffic on the Airport Frontage Road. It is
a `-ee-standing sign not mounted to the building. Sign #4 - the Board will
nog consider, due to the fact it is far from within the powers as being
able to approve minor variances to the Sign Code to approve one that is
in fact over 15 times larger than the Ordinance would allow.
Jerry made a motion that the Board deny Sign #4 because of Section 7 of
the Sign Code (81-1) does not comply. Motion seconded by Tommy, passed
unanimously.
Bill informed Gary that they do have the right to appeal any decision of
the Design Review Board to the Town Council through written notification
with 10 days.
Sign #1 - It is 20 feet high. Actual sign face is 5 feet hight and 12 feet
wide. Total of 60 square feet, not counting the poles on top and the structure.
The existing sign will be taken doom and replaced with this one. In addition
the sign on the building will remain but all other signs on the property
will be removed.
The Building is between 18 and 19 feet in height. It varies because of the
ground level.
Bill suggested they submit a site plan showing the exact location.
He also stated that City Market could request that the Board table this
matter to the next meeting.
Tommy made a motion to reject the application for Sign 01 under Section 7
because it is not a minor variance. Motion seconded by Bob, passed unanimously.
Terrill - the Sign Code does not apply directly for the appeal to the Town
Council. Suggested if City Market does wish to appeal this decision then
it be done under the procedures of the standard variance within 7 days.
Should make a specific notice to the Town of Attorney.
Larry Ross and Al Lamboley made the presentation. Requested approval for
a 400 foot addition which was already built illegally. The addition was
actually built onto the retaining wall itself. They were written a letter
from Dick Evans stating that they must take the building down within 10
days or they could come into the Design Review Board and get approval to leave
it up. It has a concrete floor and is 10' x 40' in size. The roof was built
onto the retaining wall. The addition encroaches into the utility easement about
3 or 4 inches, so they will have to get a variance.
Terrill advised the applicant that a variance would be needed for this encroachment.
They will need 13 parking spaces and they have a total of 18 spaces.
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Tommy stated they are already over the allowance. Sign #4 is too much.
Sign #1 could be discussed but feels a variance would be needed. Bob agreed.
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Bill summarized what the Board discussed. Sign #1 is a 60 sq.ft. sign that
is intended for westbound traffic on the Airport Frontage Road. It is
a free-standing sign not mounted to the building. Sign #4 - the Board will
not consider, due to the fact it is far from within the powers as being
able to approve minor variances to the Sign Code to approve one that is
in fact over 15 times larger than the Ordinance would allow.
Jerry made a motion that the Board deny Sign #4 because of :lection 7 of
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the Sign Code (81-1) does not comply. Motion seconded by Tommy, passed
unanimously.
Bill informed Gary that they do have the right to appeal any decision of
the Design Review Board to the Town Council through written notification
with 10 days.
Sign #1 - It is 20 feet high. Actual sign face is 5 feet hight and 12 feet
wide. Total of 60 square feet, not counting the poles on top and the structure.
The existing sign will be taken down and replaced with this one. In addition
the sign on the building will remain but all other signs on the property
will be removed.
The Building is between 18 and 19 feet in height. It varies because of the
ground level.
Bill suggested they submit a site plan showing the exact location.
He also stated that City Market could request that the Board table this
matter to the next meeting.
Tommy made a motion to reject the application for Sign #1 under Section 7
because it is not a minor variance. Motion seconded by Bob, passed unanimously.
Terrill - the Sign Code does not apply directly for the appeal to the Town
Council. Suggested if City Market does wish to appeal this decision then
it be done under the procedures of the standard variance within 7 days.
Should make a specific notice to the Town of Attorney.
Center. Remodel/Addition. Lot 34. Block 1. Benchmark
vision. Vile No. 81 -
Larry Ross and Al Lamboley made the presentation. Requested approval for
a 400 foot addition which was already built illegally. The addition was
actually built onto the retaining wall itself. They were written a letter
from Dick Evans stating that they must take the building down within 10
days or they could come into the Design Review Board and get approval to leave
it up. It has a concrete floor and is 10' x 40' in size. The roof was built
onto the retaining wail. The addition encroaches into the utility easement about
3 or 4 inches, so they will have to get a variance.
Terrill advised the applicant that a variance would be needed for this encroachment.
They will need 13 parking spaces and they have a total of 18 spaces.
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Bob made a motion that the addition use the same siding as the building and
must have the proper inspections and permits on the north and south side only.
Motion seconded by Tommy. Passed unanimously.
Bill - due to the encroachment on the northside they must request a variance.
5, Wildridge 20, Inc., Temporary Job Sign for Benchmark Office Building,
. Block 2. Benchmark Subdivision, File No. 81-12-3.
(let the record show that Mike Blair abstained from any action due to an
involvement with Wildridge 20, Inc.)
Larry Goad made the presentation. Requested approval for a temporary
job sign for Lot 20, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision. The sign is a
4' x 4' (16 sq.ft.) sign. It will be mounded beginning 8 feet above
the ground. The total height of the sign will be 12 feet. It will be
white background sign with green lettering. The Benchmark Logo will be
in black letters. All letters will be Helvetica Medium close spaced.
Bill asked if the phone number was allowed to be on the sign. Terrill
stated that the sign does not comply with the height requirements of
8 foot maximum. The phone number is considered a part of the address.
Larry stated that they could make the sign 8 foot high instead of 12 foot.
Jerry made a motion to accept the sign with the condition that the maximum
height be no more than 8 feet and the maximum time allowed be until
June 1, 1982. Motion seconded by Bob, passed unanimously.
Jerry mentioned Christie Lodge having a sign in the window on the third
level that says "Call this number for information, etc." and also a
tripod sign on the corner. Wanted to know if these were approved.
The Board asked Dick Evans to check into this and let them know at the
next meeting.
The traffic problem at the intersection of Benchmark Office Building,
Christie Lodge and Benchmark Shopping Center was discussed. Dick stated
this should be addressed to the Streets & Roads Department and also to
the Police Department.
Terrill stated that some type of formal notice be sent to the Town Council.
It was agreed by all members that Norm Wood check into this matter.
Bob suggested that maybe the Town should adopt some kind of sign ordinance
for towing cars. This is in regards to parking in private parking lots or
spaces. Dick stated that if the Police Department has the cars towed away
then they have to have some place to park them. Ticketing them wouldn't
be any problem.
The Board suggested that the Police Department be notified of this matter
Bob congratulated Jerry Davis on his being appointed to the Zoning Advisory
Committee.
Mike asked if anyone has applied for the open Design Review Board position.
There hasn't been that many people applying for th,: position. Check with
the Town Council.
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(let the record show that Mike Blair abstained from any action due to an
involvement with Wildridge 20, Inc.)
Larry Goad made the presentation. Requested apprcval for a temporary
job sign for Lot 20, Block 2, Benchmark Subdivision. The sign is a
4' x 4' (16 sq.ft.) sign. It will be mounded beginning 8 feet above
the ground. The total height of the sign will be 12 feet. It will be
• white background sign with green lettering. The Benchmark Logo will be
in black letters. All letters will be Helvetica Medium close spaced.
Bill asked if the phone number was allowed to be on the sign. Terrill
• stated that the sign does not comply with the height requirements of
8 foot maximum. The phone number is considered a part of the address.
Larry stated that they could make the sign 8 foot high instead of 12 foot.
Jf!rry made a motion to accept the sign with the condition that the maximum
height be no more than 8 feet and the maximum time allowed be until
o June 1, 1982. Motion seconded by Bob, passed unanimously.
Jerry mentioned Christie Lodge having a sign in the window on the third
level that says "Call this number for information, etc." and also a
tripod sign on the corner. Waited to know if these were approved.
The Board asked Dick Evans to check into this and let them know at the
next meeting.
The traffic problem at the intersection of Benchmark Office Building,
Christie Lodge and Benchmark Shopping Center was discussed. Dick stated
this should be addressed to the Streets & Roads Department and also to
the Police Department.
Terrill stated that some type of formal notice be sent to the Town Council.
It was agreed by all members that Norm Wood check into this matter.
Bob suggested that maybe the Town should adopt some kind of sign ordinance
for towing cars. This is in regards to parking in private parking lots or
spaces. Dick stated that if the Police Department has the cars towed away
then they have to have some place to park them. Ticketing them wouldn't
be any problem.
The Board suggested that the Police Department be notified of this matter
Bob congratulated Jerry Davis on his being appointed to the Zoning Advisory
Committee.
Mike asked if anyone has applied for the open Design Review Board position.
There hasn't been that many people applying for the position. Check with
the Town Council.
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Tommy suggested that the Town Council look into finding a full-time
Planning Consultant due to Terrill Knight leaving soon.
Mike stated he would make a formal resolution to the effect of needing
a full-time Staff and Planning Consultant. (copy attached)
Bob made a motion to approve the minutes of 11/18/81, seconded by
.. Tommy, passed unanimously.
There being no further business to discuss, Bob made a motion to adjourn
the meeting, seconded by Tommy, passed unanimously.
Resp& 'fully submitted by:
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Melody Cummin s
Recording Secretary
Design Review Board