PZC Minutes 071988RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
MINUTES OF PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING
JULY 19, 1988
The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was
held on July 19, 1988, at 7.30 PM in the Town Council
,hambers of the lown of Avon Municipal Complex, 4u0 benchmark
Road, Avon, Colorado. The meeting was called to order by
Chairman Frank Doll.
Members Present: Tom Landauer.; Frank Doll, Buz Reynolds,
John Perkins, Denise Hill, Clayton McRory,
Members Absent: Pat Cuny
Staff Present: Norm Wood, Director of Engineering and
Community Development; Jim Lamont,
Planning Consultant; Lynn Fritzlen,
Planner, Charletta Pascuzzi, Recording
Secretary
Lot 45,_Block 2. Benchmark at Beaver Creek, Falcon Pointy
Requested Color Change
Doll stated that tlis item had just been brought in for
presentation. He sta:.ed that the Staff has already reviewed
this matter and asked Lynn Fritzlen to present it.
Fritzlen stated that the Staff would like to recommend
approval for the repainting of Faicon Point, and she provided
a rendering of the proposed color change.
Kathy king, General Manager of Falcon Point stated that the
new owners of Falcon Point were not pleased with the current
colors of Falcon Point and wished to change them to the more
neutral colors as provided.
Perkins moved to grant approval to the Falcon Point
Association to repaint the building as presented.
Reynolds seconded.
The motion carried unanimously.
Lot 4 Block 1 Wildridge Subdivision Ridgeline
Condominiums, Phoenix Disco_yeCy Group Final Aesign Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project.
Fritzlen stated that the Phoenix Group is seeking final
design approval. She stated that this is concurrent with the
public hearing on this project in compliance with the
requirement for a public hearing for fractionalized projects.
She reviewed the approval criteria for fractionalized
projects as follows:
1. The adequacy of access to the site with respect to the
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July i9, 1988
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Lot 4. Black 1. Wildridge Subdivision Ridgeline
Condominiums, Phoenix Discovery Group Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
width of the adjacent streets, their grades, intersection
safety, visibility and entrance into the lot to be developed;
2. The need for, and availability of public or private
transportation to serve the proposed development;
3. The impact of the proposed project upon public and
private services and facilities serving the area;
4. The compatibility of the proposed unit sizes and unit mix
with existing and potential development in the vicinity.
She stated that the Staff had reviewed the site plan and feel
that existing roads and proposed drives will accomodate the
total potential vehicular traffic of the neighborhood. On
the issue of public transportation, she stated that at
present there is no existing or proposed transportation for
Wildridge. Although easy access would be desirable, the
number of potential residents does not easily justify the
creation of a public transport system. A van service, at
peak hours, provided by the Homeowners Association, was
suggested.
Regarding available public arid private facilities, she stated
that this project is centrally located in Wildridge, and is
within walking distance of commercially zoned and designated
park land. Staff feels that this is a positive aspect for
tine location of this project. Regarding compatibility, she
stated that the building type and design generally conforms
with existing development and the Wildridge Protective
Covenants. She reviewed the differences as:
1. Existing units are larger;
2. Existing units have primarily on grade access;
She stated that the conditions required at time of
preliminary design approval have been addressed.
Mark Donaldson, representing Phoenix Discovery Group,
reviewed the modifications made since the preliminary design
approval as `allows: reduction of the sod area on the east
side of the 6-plex building and returned that area to native
grasses and provide some regrading of that area. - The fire
protection requirements have been resolved and will be more
clearly detailed on the building permit application. The
drainage facility at the southeast portion of the paved area
is now a sod treated area facility which has been worked out
with the Town Engineer. Automatic irrigation will be
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July 19, 1968
Page 3 of 16
Lot 4 Block
1 Wildridge
Subdivision,
Ridgeline
Condominiums, Phoenix Discovery
Group Final Design
Review,
Public Hearing for
Fractionalized
Project (cont_)
provided for all landscape areas. The low roofs have been
added on the parking lot side of the 6-plex building to deter
the snowfall from the upper roofs. Trash enclosure drawings
have been included.
Fritzlen stated that this project is now in conformance with
the current fractionalization ordinance.
Doll then opened the Public Hearing for comment.
Greg K.ra+'t, representing Suncrest I and S'uncrest II
Homeowners Association, stated that he has received from four
owners, letters stating that their main concerns were density
and the effect on the value of the surrounding buildings.
Mr. Kraft stated his concern was the view corridors.
Doll asked for any other comments from the public. With none
forthcoming, Doll closed the public hearing and a= -ked for any
comments from the Commission or Staff. He asked if Wood, from
an engineering standpoint, was satisfied.
Wood stated he believed that his concerns had been addressed
from an engineering standpoint or easily addressed within the
site plan.
Fritzlen stated that the project has received pr-eliminary
design approval and it does conform with the SPA-egulations
which include height limitations.
Reynolds asked if there had been other letters received. The
Secretary stated that there had been no others received.
Discussion followed on the letters received and the +-eet that
the applicant has met all requirements.
Perkins moved to grant final design review approval to the
Ridgeline Condominium Project, Lot 4, Block 1, Wildridge
Subdivision as presented with the conditions that Staff
recommendations: 1. Final design conform with Fire Department
regulations for emergency access, fire flows, etc.; and 2.
Criteria as determined by the Town Engineer., be addressed.
Landauer seconded.
The motion passed four to two with Reynolds and Hill voting
nay.
Portion Lot 46/47 Block 1 Benchmark at Beaver Creek,
Phoenix Discovery Group Final Design Review Public Hearing.
for Fractionalized Project
Fritzlen stated that :,:-ie Phoenix discovery group is seeking
final design approval for the proposed ten unit project on a
portion of Lot 46/47, Block 1, Benchmark at Beaver Creek.
She stated that the project conforms with the newly adopted
fractionalization ordinance, which limits density to 2-1/2
units per development right. Concurrent with this meeting
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July 19, 1988
Page 4 of 16
Portion Lot 46/47, Block 1. Benchmark at Beaver Creek,
Phoenix Discovery Group Final Design Review Public Hearings
for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
will be the public hearing for fractionalized projects as
required by the Administrative Procedure for Fractionalized
Project of the Town of Avon Design Procedures Rules and
Regulations. She stated that on July 5, 1988, the Commission
granted preliminary design review approval for general
building exterior design and site improvement plan. She
stated that in addition to the Planning and Zoning
Commission, Design Review Procedures, Rules and Regulations
the approval criteria for fractionalized projects must also
be considered.
Fritzlen stated that the applicant has responded to some of
the initial design concerns of the Commission She then
discussed the Staff comments regarding Site Access, stating
that Staff had reviewed the site plan and feels that existing
roads and proposed drives will accomodate the total potential
vehicular traffic of the neighborhood. Regarding public
transportation, she stated that there is no existing or
proposed public transportation for Nottingham Road. This
concern is offset by the project's proximity to the Town
Core. The proximity to the Town Core is a decided asset to
this facility. Although established park and commercial
facilities are not within walking distance they are within a
few minutes drive on level roads. Proximity to Fire and
Police protection will insure a quick response time. Other
fire protection requirements have been discussed with the
applicant and conceptually agreed upon.
Fritzlen stated that the unit type and design is generally
compatible with existing neighborhood development. She then
compared the differences stating that the existing
development tends not to stack more than two units above each
other; existing units are larger; existing units do not cater
to short term rental. She stated that there is a rental
management office indicated on the third level of the plans.
Fritzlen stated that if the Commission finds that this
application conforms with Approval Criteria for
Fractionalized Projects or can be modified to be brought into
conformance, Staff recommends that final design approval be
granted subject to: 1. Final design conform with Fire
Department regulations for emergency access, fire flows,
etc.; Criteria as stated in the Engineering Report.;
and 3. Use is restricted to the intention and uses of the
Residential Medium Density zone district which reads as
follows: Intention - areas primarily for long term occupancy
in attached or multi -unit family dwellings on separate lots,
and Allowed Uses- Duplex, multi -family dwellings, townhouses,
condominiums, apratments, accessory buildings. Staff feels
that the building type is within the allowed use. Commission
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July 19, 1988
Page 5 of 16
Portion Lot 46/47 Block 1 Benchmark at Beaver Creek,_
Phoenix Discovery Group, Final Design Reviec_ Public Hearing
for Fractionalized Project (cont.).
must insure that it stays within the intention of the zone
district. The question is the matter of the rental office and
perhaps the applicant could better address how that is to be
used.
Mark Donaldson, representing Phoenix Discovery Group,
described the modifications made since preliminary approval
was granted. Density was reduced to ten units to conform
with the fractionalization ordinance and in doing so some
additional space was created on the third level which they
have shown as a management office for on site management.
They do not intend to have short term rentals. Fire
protection problems have been identified and resolved with
the Department of Public Safety and will be detailed fully
for the building permit application. The drainage facility
on the northwest portion of the paved area has been modified,
per the Town Engineer's request, and no project sign is being
submitted for approval at this time.
Discusssion followed on the unit sizes.
At this time Doll opened the public hearing.
First speaker was John Graham, President of the Chambertin
Townhomes Homeowners Association. He gave a brief review of
the history of the Chambertin project for the benefit of the
new Commission members. He stated that their main concerns
are maintaining the monetary value of their investment,
emergency access to the Chambertin project, access for trash
pickup. The trash truck now has to back out, making a severe
turn and creating a very severe safety problem on the
roadway. The S-curve in Nottingham road is also a very
severe safety hazard. He feels that the three story
structure is incompatible with the neighborhood. A major
concern is that these will be short term rentals. Total
project is incompatible. Mr. Graham stated that other owners,
that could not be at the meeting would be sending lstters
asking for denial of this application.
Linda Pell stated that -tie is representing Syndicate Systems,
owners of one unit at Chambertin and that she is also Vice
President of the Homeowners Association. She stated that she
agrees totally with everything that Mr. Graham has stated and
would like to add that she feels it is very important that
the foundation is stable. She stated that she is against the
small units, but her main appeal is to have the Commission
consider how the whole Chambertin project was originally
planned, how the roadway in front is and how the back roadway
is and for the Commission to consider the safety of human
lives and the emergency access needed through the back
roadway.
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes
July 19, 1988
Page 6 of 16
Portion Lot 46/47 Block 1. Benchmark at Beaver Creek,
Phoenix Discovery Group, Final Design Review Public Hearing
for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
Bill Fliesher, owner of unit #12, stated that he was totally
shocked that a project such as the one proposed, could be
allowed next to a projec.such as Chambertin. He stated that
when the owners of Uiambertin bought it was with the
knowledge that all other projects within the area would be
compatible. He stated that he is totally against
fractionalization.
Clint Watkins, owner of units 5, 6, 7, and 8 at Chambertin,
stated that he agrees with John Graham in that he doesn't
feel the proposed project is compatible with the existing
Chambertin. He questioned the lack, of deminsions on the
drawings. He submits that what they have presented is not in
compliance with the Administrative Procedures for Design
Review in that the plans are incomplete.
Jerry Burris, from Syndicate Systems, stated he purchased his
unit in 1980. He enjoys coming to Colorado and wanted to
personally let the Commission know that he agrees with all
that has been said regarding the concerns voiced about the
proposed project.
Claudia Peterman, of Sherwood Meadows, stated that since
their neighborhood is 80% developed, they would like to see
the remaining 20% remain the same type of development. They
do not want to see a transient situation in their
neighborhood.
Doll asked if any member of the Commission had any comment=_
or questions for the public. He stated that he would like to
make a few comments relative to the comments from the public.
He stated that, as far as the Planning and Zoning Commission
is concerned, fractionalization has been changed, requiring
the lowering of the density of the units allowed, and as
stated in the Staff report the project as presented is within
the fractionalization requirements. In relation to the
foundation, lie stated that he would like to think personally,
that the engineering staff will not allow the project to be
started until the foundation problems are addressed
completely. He stated that the back roadway is a concern.
He stated that the number of units and sizes are within the
regulations.
Watkins questioned the language and compliance of the
fractionalization ordinance. He stated that when the Council
made the changes they made it not E. right to convert to the
2-1/2 to 1, but that they may apply for it.
Perkins stated that he did not believe the Staff would have
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July 19, 1988
Page 7 of 16
Portion Lot 46/47 Block 1 Benchmark at Beaver Creek,
Phoenix Discovery Group Final Design Review. Public Hearing
for Fractionalized Project (cont.)_
let this come before the Commission if this application met
every intent and letter. He asked the Staff if they felt
that the Commission is looking at a valid application.
Fritzien stated that she felt that this was a valid
application. Watkins asked if the exterior or interior
dimensions were shown an the floor plan provided. Wood
staled that only the basic information had been brought down.
The other plans were used for the staff review. Discussion
followed on the requirements for fractionalization. Perkins
aeiked of the drawing with the exterior and interior
dimensions could be provided.
Perkins stated that he would like to return to the access
question. He stated that at the last meeting the applicant
told the board that they had made attempts at contacting the
Chambertin Association regarding the resolution of any
differences with the access situation and had no response
from the Association.
Graham stated that Donaldson had written to the Association
stating that if they would like to have access across the
back he would be willing to talk to them about how much it
would cost them.
Perkins stated he would like to see the letter.
Donaldson provided a copy of the letter.
Discussion followed on the emergency access and trash pickup
access.
Thomas Weber stated that the problem was the liability, and
any damage that may be done to the roadway or their parking
lot.
Discussion followed on the size and the type of people that
will be housed in the units. Devaluing of neighboring
properties was discussed.
Greg Amsten, realtor from Vail, stated that the the market
value of the Chambertin units is approximately $50.00 a
square foot on a resale basis. If the new smaller project is
built there, the smaller unit will have a little bit higher
dollar per square foot resale because of the size of the
unit.
Donaldson stated that the last four units sold at Chambertin
sold for about $32.00 per square foot and tney are
anticipating going on the market at about -three times that
price on a square footage basi.s. He stated that they feel
they will be effecting the value in a positive way.
Doll called for anymore comments from the public. With none
forthcoming, he closed the public hearing.
Doll polled the members of the Commission for questions or
comments and the general concensus of most of the members was
that the project was incompatible for that site.
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July 19, 1988
Page 8 of 16
Portion Lot 46/47, Block I. Benchmark at Beaver Creek,
Phoenix Discovery Group, Final Design Review Public Hearing
for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
Further discussion followed on the size of the units, and the
access.
Fritzlen stated that the Commission's duty is to review the
building design and the conformance with the zoning
regulations and design criteria. She stated that the
Commission needs to decide if the size of the units is
justification for denying the project.
Perkins moved to approve the project as submitted, with the
conditans: 1. The management office on the third floor be
removed from the project.; 2. That access arrangement be
worked out between the Phoenix Group and the Chambertin Group
to allow for trash pickup and emergency access behind all
four buildings and any necessary insurance policies involved
in the trash removal operation would be shared between the
two projects.
The motion died due to a lack of a second.
Landauer moved to deny the application as submitted, citing
the incompatibility of the number and size of units of this
project with the other units in the neighborhood.
Reynolds seconded.
The motion passed 4 tc, 2 with Perkins and Doll voting nay.
Lot 3 Block 5, Wildridge Subdivision_, Otterman and
Associates, 20 Unit Condominium Project, Final Design Review,.
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project
Lot 6, Block 5, Wildridoe Subdivision, Otterman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Project, Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project
Doll stated that due to the fact that both of these projects
are in the same area, served by the same road and built by
the same builder, we are going to consider them
simultaneously. He stressed that they are two different
projects and there will be two motions made regarding these
projects.
Fritzlen stated that Otterman and Associates is seeking final
approval for the proposed 20 unit project on Lot 3, Block 5,
as well as Lot 6, Wildridge Subdivision. Preliminary design
approval was granted on May 17, 1988. Concurrent with this
meeting will be the Public Hearing required by the
Administrative Procedures for Fractionalized Projects of the
Town of Avon Design Procedures Rules and Regulations.
She stated that a number of design issues have been addressed
prior to this request for final approval and public hearing.
1. Roof lines were changed from the original submission to
create more visual interest.
2. Engineered site plans were submitted which more fully
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July 19, 1988
Page 9 of 16
Lot 3 Block 5L Wildridge Subdivisio, Otterman and
Associates, 20 Unit Condominium Prosect Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Prosect (cont.)
Lot 6, Block 5. Wildridge Subdivision Otterman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Prosect Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Prosect (cont.)
address grading and drainage.
3. Parking lot lighting has been indicated.
4. Landscaping and retaining walls were redesigned to lessen
site impart and improve appearance.
She also stated that the density was approved under the
previous fractionalization ordinance.
She stated that in addition to the Planning and Zoning
Commission Design Review Procedures, Rules and Regulations,
the Approval Criteria for Fractionalized Projects should be
considered when reviewing this prosect for final approval.
Fritzlen stated that Staff has reviewed the site plan and
Feel that the existing roads and proposed drives will
accomodate the total potential vehicular traffic of the
neighborhood. Since there is no existing or proposed public
transportation it was suggested that probably the most
effective means of addressing this concern would be a van
service, at peak hours, provided by the Homeowners
Association.
She stated that the units proposed for Lot 3 and Lot 6 will
almost double the number of existing units in Wildridge and
will have a significant effect on the presently nominal
availability of public and private facilities in the area,
i.e. parks, passive and active recreational areas,
neighborhood commercial facilities, and fire protection. She
stated that the impact is further compounded by three
additional factors: 1. The project's lack of any on site
amenity or usable open space suitable for active or passive
recreation.; 2. The remote location from central Wildridge
will continue to isolate the project from future neighborhood
facilities in that the probable development of such would be
on the opposite side of Metcalf Road.; 3. The project's
lack of accomodation for an on site management.
Fritzlen stated that fire protection is also presently
inadequate, but the need for an additional hydrant e.s well as
standpipes within the stairwells of the structure and an
offsite truck turnaround has been discussed with the
applicant.
The drainage and erosion matters are addressed in the
engineering report as follows: 1. Erosion protection must
be provided at inlet and outlet to Filter Pit.; 2. Depth of
Filter Pit is not indicated. Volume cannot be calculated.;
3. If 2' deep, holding capacity for 10 year runoff would be
approximately 1.0 minute. This does fiat seem adequate for a
reasonable level of treatment,. Recommendation is approval
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes
July 19, 1988
Page 10 of 16
Lot 3. Block 5 Wildridge Subdivision, Otterman and
Associates 20 Unit Condominium Project, Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
Lot 6 Block 5 Wildridoe Subdivision Otterman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Project, Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
subject to submission of acceptable drainage plan prior to
issuance of building permits.
Regarding compatibility, Fritzlen stated that Block 5,
Wildridge Subdivision currently has one developed lot, which
is a ten unit townhouse complex, on Lot 10. Block 5, is a
relatively isolated cul de sac of lots zoned for multi -unit
residential complexes, rotal build out for Block 5 would be
90 units taking into account fractionalization and the
development of this project. The concurrent construction on
Lot 3 and Lot 6 will cor�titute half of the total unit build
our of Block 5, therefore, these projects will dominate the
character of the immediate neighborhood. The project varies
from existing residential development in Wildridge in that
existing development has larger units; incorporates enclosed
parking as required by the Wildridge Covenants; has primarily
on grade entry access; has less monolithic building
proportions; and incorporates private lawns or yards.
In conclusion, Fritzlen stated that this project as proposed,
would offer a desirable housing type for employees in the
Avon/Beaver Creek area. The neighborhood has the potential
to become an affordable medium density residential district
surrounded by ample open space and interesting views. This
area is isoiated from other lots. The remote location of
Block 5 from Wildridge will isolate it from the lower density
projects on the west side of Metcalf Road which is a positive
planning aspect. As presently platted, Block 5 does not
include any designated park land or lots zoned for commercial
use, therefore, it is important that all developments in
Block 5 be relatively self-sufficient in nature and
adequately address the remote location. It is also noted
that the site, due to its topography, does not easily
accomodate the density proposed and that a highly engineered
solution is necessary.
Fritzlen stated that if the Commission finds that this
application conforms with the approval criteria for
fractionalized projects or can be brought into conformance,
Staff recommends that final design approval be granted
subject to the following conditions: 1. Final design
conform with Fire Department regulations for emergency
access, fire flows, etc.; 2. Criteria as stated in the
Engineering Report.; 3. Incorporation of on site, clearly
usable open space, which would address the amenity issue.
Staff recognizes that the addition of open space will require
additional grading, possibly more retainage or a built deck,
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July 19, 1989
Page 11 of ib
Lot ; Block 5. Wildridge Subdivision, Otterman and
Associates 20 Unit Condominium Project, Final Desing Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
Lot 6 Block 5 Wildridge Subdivision. Otterman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Project Final Design Review
Public Hearing
_for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
but feels that the advantages outweigh the additional site
impact. Recommendation is that the clearly usable open space
have less than a 5% grade, for indoor or outdoor passive
and/or active recreation, this must be other than the parking
lot, and that it is not less than 5% of the habitable area of
the structure and easily accessible to all inhabitants.; 4.
The covenants restrictions of covered parking need to to
reconsidered, equal to 50% of covered parking would brinq it
into more compatibility with existing development in
Wildridge.; 5. The designation of at least one onsite
manager, between Lot 3 and Lot b, for security reasons.; b.
Construction of an off site turnaround as previously
discussed with the applicant.
Mark Donaldson stated that represents Ken Otterman and
Associates, the developer of the project. He stated that
both Ken Otterman and Tom Leroy were present also.
Donaldson stated that they do not agree with the application
of the new criteria and findings for fractionalization
ordinance as applied to this project. He stated that the
only provision of the newly revised fractionalization
ordinance that would apply to this project, because it has
already received preliminary approval, was the requirement
for notice of public hearing.
Regarding the Staff recommendations, item number one, they
have no problem with addressing their concerns. He stated
that he had given Norm Wood a letter from Intermountain
Engineering, just received, regarding acknowledgement of Town
Engineer's concerns and stating that they are in the process
of modifying the design to conform to those concerns. He
stated that, in view of the lengthy review of the preliminary
approval, they do not agree with the incorporation of the
clearly usable space as suggested. He stateu that they are
surrounded by open space, natural forest and greenbelt and
feel that anything they would do would only be a duplication.
He stated that item number four, regarding the covenants,
they have had discussions with Linda Rogers, benchmark
Company, and she stated that they monitor the Town's process
and take action when they feel necessary and that no action
on their part is acknowledgement of approval on their part
and they have not pressed the matter of covered parking.
Regarding the site manager unit, there will be one, but it
may rotate around. Donaldson stated that they were willing
to participate to some degree with the construction of the
offsite turnaround, however he feels that this is really not
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July 19, 1988
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Lot 3 Block 5 Wildridge Subdivision Otterman and
Associates 20 Unit Condominium Project, Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont._)
Lot b Block 5 Wildridge Subdivision Otterman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Project Final Design Review,_
Public Hearing for Fractional__ized Proiect (cant.)
a problem of this developer. The road leading to this
project simply comes from the wrong direction at this time.
Eventually there is planned a Wildwood Station and that would
be the most proximate station to respond at these two
projects. They did widen the entrance radius and expand the
access to both sites at the request of the Fire Department.
He stated that Wood has suggested that there is an area that
borders on the corner of the section of Wildridge
Subdivision, and Forest Service that they are willing to
build the area out and create the turnaround.
Donaldson stated that they are not a rental project, they are
a condominium project.
Discussion followed on the open space question and the
grading problems.
Donaldson reviewed the conditions upon which the preliminary
approval was granted. He stated that all conditions either
have been met or are being worked out.
Fritzlen stated that she thinks it is up to the Commission to
deem whether it is appropriate that the approval for
fractionalization be incorporated for the final review.
Donaldson objected to this.
Doll opened the public hearing.
Gary Hill, a homeowner in Wildridge, objected to the size of
the project and that is will not be compatible with future
development.
Greg Amsten stated that Ile wanted to make it known that he
has no interest in the resale of the project, but that he
feels there is a need for the housing in the valley. This
project will provide housing at a reasonable rate for people
in the Avon area. A good part of the buyers of this project
will be locals and some outside investors. He described the
values in Wildridge and stated that this project will
determine a value for that area. He feels that this project
could benefit everyone in the Town.
Michael Ray, a property owner in Wildridge, stated that he
feels this project is inappropriate for the area. He does
not feel it is a good looking project. He feels that this
project would effect his property values. He feels the
Commission should consider the future development in
Wildridge and how this project will effect it.
Paul Jankowskus, a landowner in Wildridge, stated that he
plans to build a house in the next year or so and he asked
why so many units on so small an area. He feels it is not
appropriate and will effect the quality of life in Wildridge.
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July 19, 19ee
Page 13 of 16
Lot 3 Block 5 Wildridge Subdivision, Otterman and
Associates, 20 Unit Condominium Project Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
Lot 6, Block 5 Wildridge Subdivision, Otterman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Project Final Design Review
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)_
John Singleton, a property owner in the Town of Avon, stated
that he feels that the project is appropriate for the area.
He feels it would be good business for the Town of Avon to
have this project that would provide affordable housing.
Torn Leroy commented on the design and the fact that they had
addressed all the concerns voiced by the Commission prior to
preliminary design approval and met all conditions required
at time of preliminary design approval. There is another
complex in the area that is similar in character and similar
in total monolithic mass size. Mass size of this project is
less than Gosshawk. Leroy stated they have met all
requirements and they are not bringing a slum project. He
stated that the number of units has already been approved and
grandfathered.
Jack Hunn, a property owner in Wildridge, stated that he had
never heard of fractionalization when he purchased his
property in Wildridge. He feels this project is inappropriate
in scale and density. He believes that the Wildridge
covenants should apply to this project. He reviewed various
requirements of the covenants that this project does not
meet. He agreed that there is a need for housing, but feels
this is not the location for it. This type of housing should
be developed in the mown proper. There have no proposals
solving the need for mass transportation that will be
necessary with this project. He stated that Heaver Creek,
Arrowhead and The Town of Vail are obligated to provide
employee housing when the need arises. He feels that less
density on the site would be appropriate. He feels that the
open space around the project is not usable.
Discussion followed on the fact that the Town is not bound by
the Wildridge covenants.
The public asked that the letter from Linda Rogers be read
for their benefit. Doll proceeded to read the letter.
Wood stated that this letter should be treated as publjr_
input, the same as all the other comments received.
Discussion followed on the open space around the property.
Donaldson read a letter from Jim Nosaf into the ecord
stating that he feels that a project such as this w well
ovedue.
Hunn stated that he feels the project might be workable if it
was brought into conformance with the covenants guidelines.
Doll closed the public hearing.
Ken Utterman stated that the size of the building would not
be any different if it were an eleven unit building or as
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July 19, 1988
Page 14 of 16
Lot 3Block 5, Wildridoe Subdivision Otterman and
Associates. 20 Unit Condominium Project. Final Design Review
Public Hearing for Fraction:elized Project (cont_)
Lot _6. Block 5. Wil drilea Subdivision, Otterman and
Associate=., 24 Unit Condominium Project,Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
proposed. He discussed the fractionalization law and the
fact that the public had an opportunity to voice their
opinions at the time this was trade a law.
Further discussion followed on the open space land available
around the project and Fritzlen pointed these lands out on
the map provided.
Reynolds commented on the massing of the building,
snowstora.ge, parking and the corpatibility of the project .
Discussion followed on these matters.
Fritzlen again reviewed the difference:; of this project with
other projects in the arec.: and the lack of amenities.
Perkins commented on it not being the proper place for
employee housing. He feels the site is too steep for this
proposal.
Donaldson reiterated that the project was granted preliminary
approval an May 17, 1988 and the provisions for conforming
were clearly stated. He stated that they had conformed to
all provisions.
Discussion followed on the turnaround for the emergency
vehicle- and snowplow, the need for transportation, the need
to address the 'sire protection concerns, the compatibility
with the existing and potential development in the vicinity
and the lack of unit mix.
Leroy commented that not one property owner contiguious to
the proposed complex has responded negatively. Mone of the
proper'y owners at this meeting are contiguious to the
proposed project. He reviewed the objectives of
fractionalization.
Doll asked Wood about the status of the drainage situation.
Wood stated that the letter from lntermounatin Engineering
takes it far enough that he feels reasonably comfortable with
the concerns that have been addressed.
Wood reaffirmed some of the actions taken by Council in the
adoption of the amendments to the zoning code with regard to
fractionalization. He stated that there was a specific
amendment to the ordinance that Council adopted that exempted
this project from the additional requirements with the
reduction of unit numbers. This project was the only project
that had received preliminary design approval prior to the
adoption of the amendments. They did address the
requirements for a public hearing, but that was the only
Stipulation the Council placed on this application.
Hill moved to deny the project for Lot 3, Block 5, Wildridge
on the basis that the proposed unit sizes and unit mix are
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Page 15 of 16
Lot 3 Block 5 Wildrid a Subdivision Otterman and
Associates 20 Unit Condominium Project Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
Lot 6 Block 5 Wildridge Subdivisions OttLrman and
Associates 24 Unit Condominium Project Final Design Review,
Public Hearing for Fractionalized Project (cont.)
not compatible with the existing and potential development in
the vicinity. Furthermoro*, this project does not minimize
site impacts to adjacent properties or the visual appearance
as viewed from adjacent or neighboring properties and public
ways as stated in the Design Guidelines Sections 6.13 and
6.15. Additionally, the proposed improvements are not
compatible with the site topography as required in Design
Guidelines Section 6.14.
Landauer seconded.
The motion passed unanimously.
Hill moved to to deny the project for Lot 6, Block 5,
Wildridge Subdivision on the basis that the proposed unit
sizes and unit mix are not compatible with the existing and
potential development in the vicinity. Furthermore, this
project does not minimize site impacts to adjacent properties
or the visual appearance as viewed from adjacent or
neighboring properties and public ways as stated in the
Design Guidelines Sections 6.13 and 6.15. Additionally, th%
proposed improvements are not compatible with the site
topography as required in Design Guidelines Section 6.14.
Landauer seconded.
The motion passed unanimously.
Reading and Approval of Planning and Zoning Commission
Meeting Minutes of 7/5/88
Reynolds moved to approve the minutes as submitted.
Landauer seconded.
The motion passed unanimously.
With no other buisness to
Reynolds seconded.
The meeting was adjourned
Respectfully submitted,
Charlette Pascuzzi
Recording Secretary
discuss, Landauer moved to adjourn.
at 11:30 PM.
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