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PZC Minutes 051590PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 The regularly scheduled meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:30 PM, May 15, 1990, in the Town Council Ciiambers of the Town of Avon Municipal Building, 400 Benchmark Rd., Avon, Colorado. Members Present: Frank Doll, Clayton McRory, John Perkins, Jack Hunn, Terri Jeppson, Sue Railton Staff Present: Rick Pylman, Director of Community Development Jim Curnutte, Planner Lot 34 Block 3 Wildridge Subdivision Final Design_ Review Jim Curnutee stated that the applicant has tried to address the Commission's concerns from the last meeting. Ile stated that what he has done is list how the applicant has changed the plans and made corrections from what he presented at the last meeting. Curnutte stated that one of the concerns were, the north elevation lacking character. Some of the suggestions were larger windows, adding window shutters, possibly planter boxes added, wood siding could be added around the top of the building to break up the mass and reduce the large amount of stucco. Larger building overhangs should be considered. The grading plan needed to be redone by professional engineers and the assurance by way of some deposit to guarantee the paving would be done in a timely manner. Curnutte stated that 2 x 8 window sills have been added around the smaller windows. Contrasting trim has been added around the windows. The asphalt shingles requested at the first meeting have been replaced with a masonite pressed wood shingle. The applicant will present a sample of this. The mechanics pit has been removed. Most of the foundation, previously shown as stucco, is now to be finished with stone. A professional landscape and drainage plan has been received. The building entry has been enlarged. The house has been relocated on the lot, moved back about 30 feet further to the north and 10 feet to the west. The driveway will be asphalted immediately rather than graveled fc: a year. On the north elevation, a full stairway window has been added to break up the simplicity of that side of the building. Curnutte stated that this proposal is in conformance with the Tow-, regulations. The materials are compatible. The house will not effect the neighboring properties. The building is compatible with the topography. Staff recommendation is for approval, with the condition ntthat the endriveway entrance comply with the Town standards and the app apply for a road cut permit. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 2 Lot 34 Block 3 Wildridge Subdivision, Final Design Review Curnutte stated that the staff feels that the amount of disturbed area is excessive and the applicant should look into any possible way of lessening amount of disturbed area. Bill Bergman, represent the applicant, provided a sample of the roofing material. He stated that it carries a 25 year warranty and will weather to color similar to a cedar roof. Their goal is to nave a long lasting, good looking roof. McRory stated that he has seen this roofing material applied and it has a very nice look. He stated it is hard to tell from the cedar shake at a distance. He stated his only concern is that the load bearing be adjusted to carry this type of weight of product. The plans should be stamped by an engineer that the roof would carry this weight and the snow load weight. The applicant agreed. Hunn stated that he feels the site plan is very much improved. The driveway access adds some interest. He also feels that they are disturbing too much of the site and asked if they have a balance cut and fill or are they importing a lot of material to achieve the grading plan. Bergman stated that they would be importing some material. They do not know just how much yet. They also plan on bringing some top soil in. Hunn suggested limiting the regrading and use a series of boulder retaining walls. Hunn asked how much of the site will be sod and hew much will be native vegetation. Bergman stated the would like for all of it to be native vegetation as much as possible. The are not interested in having a lawn. Hunn asked if there would be an irrigation system to support the trees. Bergman stated that there would be. Discussion followed on the drip line. Discussion followed on the entry stairs. Discussion followed on the height of the building. Hunn stated he is concerned with the masonite roofing material. Further discussion foil wed on this matter. Perkins stated that he agreed with Hunn's comments. He would also still like to see some wood siding on the top of the buildii.g, as this much stucco in this form of a building it tends to be bland. He agreed with the comments on the disruption of the site. Jeppson stated she is concerned with the use of ccLtonwoods. She is concerned about the amount of water needed for these trees. McRory asked what happened to the mechanics pit. Bergman stated that an explosion proof ventilation system would be needed and that was prohibitive. Railton stated that this was a great improvement on the last proposal. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 3 Lot 34, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision Final Design Review Continued Jeppson moved to grant final design review approval to Lot 34, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision, with the recommendation to limit the regrading area to not beyond 84/80, and with the recommendation that a retaining wall be used. Also that the recommendation that the driveway entry must comply with the applicable requirements of the Town. The motion died for lack of a second. Hunn stated he would like to see the recommendations as conditions. Chairman Doll sated that they were conditions. Hunn stated that he felt that there is adequate time to leave the roofing material matter open, to enable the Commission to study this product. Bergman stated that the only problem would be scheduling the proper specifications for the roof. Pylman stated that he felt that they could leave the roofing material open at this time and then require the applicant to come back for approval prior to ordering the material. Bergman stated they would be willing to come back in within four to six weeks. Chairman Doll stated he would request a time limit of not more than six weeks for a decision from the Commission. Jeppson amended her motion to include the condition that within six weeks the Commission will give the applicant a decision on the roofing product. McRory seconded. The motion carried unanimously. Lot 1 Block 1 Lodge At Avon Subdivision BMB Properties, Final Design Review Pylman asked to postpone this item until later in the evening. Chairman Doll stated that they would move on to the next item. Lots 13. 14, 15, Block 2,14ildridge Subdivision Kedrowski Subdivision, Sketch Chairman Doll stated that this is a very complicated application that includes about five steps. The first step, the sketch plan is what will be discussed this evening. It also includes a public hearing. Jim Curnutte stated that the design review will not be considered. This is a subdivision process. He stated that Mark Donaldson is representing the applicant. He stated that the existing zoning of the lots and their associated density is shown on the site plan. They are approved for 4 units, 6 units and 2 units, respectively. Curnutte reviewed the steps for such a project as follows: 1. Subdivision sketch Plan, which is what will be discussed this evening; 2. The Preliminary Plan and along with this there would be a zone change application, which is step number 3. These will run concurrently. 4. The final plat and subdivision approvements agreement is neat. 5. The last stage, is final design review. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 4 13. 14 ivis Plan Application Gonrinuea The sketch plan consists of twelve single family lots ranging in size from 7,000 to 11, 500 square feet, the average being 8,800. The roads within the subdivision are intender: to be private roads. Section 16.40.040 of the Town code discourages the creation of private roads, but does allow for their provision based on the character and location of the proposed subdivision, and providing the following requirements are met: 1. Right-of-way width, grades, curves, site distances and other improvements are in conformance with Town standards. 2. Their creation will not deny access to adjacent near by lands for traffic, utility, drainage and other purposes; 3. An adequaterh4m -owners association is set up to adequately maintain the roads system( Curnette stated that the private roads and road right-of-way widths in this subdivision do not meet the Town standards, however, in Section 16.03.150 -ort -the Town code it does say that a SPA is to be developed under a unified plan, which does not necessarily correspond in lot area, density, lot coverage, open space, or other requirements of an existing subdivision. This allows you to be creative. Curnutte provided a chart showing the Town standards for roads and road right- of-ways and what is being proposed. Curnutte stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission is charged with viewing this application according to the following factors: A. Conformance with the Master Plan , Policies, Guidelines, Zoning and other applicable regulations of the Town; Staff comment is - This proposal does appear to be in conformance with the newely adopted Master Plan recommendations. With regard to the applicant's request to change the existing land use designations of the lots, the applicant will have to come through and request a zone change at the preliminary plan stage. item S. Suitabilitv of the land for subdivision; Curnutte stated that this property has already been determined as a suitable site for development, therefore Staff feels that since this application is a re -subdivision of those previously approved lots, this should not be a major concern.C.Staff does not feel that this re -subdivision request would have a significant negative effect on the areas existing hazards if there are any. D. Suitability of sketch plan and establishment of guidelines and conditions for proceeding to preliminary plan; The Town code requires that the Planning and Zoning Commission determine the suitability of the sketch plan and it does allo, the Commission to establish certain guidelines and conditions for the applicant to proceed to the Preliminary plan stage. Staff feels this particular sketch plan is a suitable one and recommends that the conditions listed below be used for the review: "1, Aw� ' PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 5 s 13 10 Staff recommends approval with the following conditions: 1. The application for a zone change or SPA amendment be submit -.ted along with the preliminary plan. 2. Letters from the current property owners. Mr. Kedrowski has a contract to purchase them, based on the ability to get this re -subdivision through. Letters authorizing, Mr. Kedrowski not only to apply for the preliminary plan, but also to change the zoning for this property. 3. Staff feels that the preliminary plan should include a development guide specific to this re -sub- division. This will be used by the design review board when the time comes to consider the individual single family homes. 4. The preliminary plan submittal needs to include a copy a copy of the proposed covenants and any provisions for creating the home -owners association. Curnutte stated that he feels a determination needs to be made whether or not to require the applicant to construct the roads to the Town standards or to grant his requested variance from the Town standards. Mark Donaldson, representing Mr. Kedrowski, stated that Lot 17 has been dropped from the application. lie stated that in re -organizing the sketch plan, they were able to reapportion the sizes of the lots and where they once had 13 single family lots they now have 12 single family lots, as well as the same amount of open space and a similar configuration of the roads. He stated that they have been able to comply with the initial comments of the fire department and the planning department. He feels the issue comes down to the roads and the definition of the right-of-way. He stated that they could grant the 50 foot for a road right-of-way or they can perhaps be granted a variance to come in with a private road design, each of which would provide the same function and same protection for maintenance and longivity. Donaldson stated that they will pr)vide covenants for construction of the single family homes at the preliminary plan stage. They will basically be some supplementary regulations that would accompany the existing protective covenants that exist in Wildridge as well as the existing Town standards that are iu effect today. The will be proposing square footage limitations, covered park'_ng, reduced building heights, etc. The layout of the lots will allow frr good view corridors. Chairman Doll then opened the public hearing. Having no response for public comments, the Chairman then closed the public hearing. Perkins asked if the adjacent property owners had been notified? Sketch plan letters were sent, but no written comments have been received. Curnutte stated that they do have a letter from the fire department regarding the radius of the cul-de-sacs. This letter states that the radius are adequate and identified fire hydrant locations. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 6 s 13. 14, 15, Wildridge Subdivision, Kedrowski Subdivision Perkins stated that he had three concerns. One is that they would not be allowed to have any raw land sales, that these lots would remain in the hands of the developer and would have to be developed by him. The concern is that architecturally it has to be a unified statement, that all twelve of these buildings be very compatible. The second concern is the architectural direction is going. The third concern is the landscaping aspect. His concern is the re- grading of most of the site. �J--('�.4, let J Donaldson responded that they will try to maintain the integrity of the natural landscape along the existing public rights-of-way. They plan on using the revegetation system that Hans Oberlor has used. Perkins suggested on the interior using a more finished look and then let the native. -come up to the outside. Donaldson stated that this is one of the reasons that they are trying to go for the 35 foot right-of-way with the two 7 1/2 foot easements. They would like for the home owners to own that property out to the property line, which is part of the road maintenance easement. If they can bring more formal landscaping to those areas it makes the interior more unified. Perkins stated that he did not have a problem with the private street concept, or the right-of-way widths. Donald stated that they would like to be allowed to continue to work with the Town staff to make that work. Perkins asked why the applicant didn't make the streets to Town standards and then the Town would have to do the maintenance. D3naldson stated that they are not sure that the Town would accept the roads, and they do have some problems with the radius of the cul-de- sacs. That starts to pinch the design and would reduce some of the lot areas and some of the clearances they are looking for. If they had to they could go to the road standards and just give it up and reshuffle and re -organize some, but they do not see any benefit. Hunn agreed with the comments made by Perkins. He encourages some varity in design but still maintain a strong unifying of materials and architectural design. Hunn asked if the side setbacks are consistently 10 feet? Donaldson stated they were. Hunn asked if site coverage would be limited to a certain percent of land area? Curnutte stated that the Staff is asking that a guide be created with building heights, lot coverage, floor area ratios, setbacks, etc. Donaldson stated that regarding this, fl,ey do not have a problem with complying with the Twon regulations. Hunn statdd that he feels that two covered parking spaces and space for at least one other vehicle in a driveway be accomodated because of the width of the roads. Hunn agreed with Perkins regarding the stipulation that there be no raw land sales. Ile feels that the developer commit to a common landscaping plan and as each home is built and sold, site specific landscape plans that are consistent with the master plan of the sub- division be implemented at that time. He stated that there should be a re- quirement that an automatic irrigation system be provided with the landscaping. ""` PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION nETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 7 1 Hunn feels that it is an interesting development opportunity for the area and if it is done carefully and well, it will be successful. McRory asked about the phasing of the development. Donaldson stated it would be based on sales. He stated that the developer hopes to have the complete development done by mid summer next year. Jeppson voiced concern about the Parkin 'a. She feels that them will still be on -street parking. Donaldson stated that they are going to ;,st two car aprons also. Railton commented on the parking situation, but due to the fact that she speaks very softly, her comments are not transcribable. It was-somethinV about— ee4ering rp-thayutside cars. She also commented on the steepness of the slope on the southeast. She stated that she would like to see a split-level. Donaldson stated that maybe over half of the sites have an opportunity for a walk -out basement. Chairman Doll asked for a motion that would incorporate the first four recommendations of the staff., but before the motion, item six of the staff recommendation is regarding the roads and the Commission needs to determine if they are suitable as presented. The Commission agreed that they were. Perkins moved to grant sketch plan approval to Lots 13, 14, 15, Block 2, Wildridge Subdivision, to include the staff recommendations 1 through 4, that recommendation 5 would be accomplished from the preliminary plan, and that recommendation six be that this Board would approve a private road design and add condition seven that no raw land sales of any portions of these three lots be possible at any time. Hunn seconded. The motion carried unanimously. Lot 1 Block 1 Lodge at Avon Subdivision BMB Properties Final Design Review Rick Pylman stated that since the Commission has seen this project several times, he will be discussing the site plan and landscaping plan. To refresh the Commission's memory, the Avon Town Square commercial project consists of two buildings, total gross square footage of 46,700 square feet. The main building is a 40,000 square foot building, the first floor being retail, the second floor will be retail and office buildings. The proposed restrauant use has been removed. By zoning t6y could come back in at a later date. They have the parking allowance to do that. The secondary building will be approximately 10,000 square feet. This is planned as a free-standing restaurant. That building did receive a building setback variance at an earlier hearing to allow better site planning, better landscaping and parking configurations. He stated that the site plan indicates 181# parking spaces, with a loading berth for each site. One of the comments was that the loading berth for the main building should be 60 feet because of the size of the trucks. The PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 8 Avon Subdivision, BMB Properties, Final applicant has responded to that comment and the loading dock does now accomodate a sixt, foot truck. The building does meet open space requirements. Twenty one percent of the site is building footprints, open space is slightly over 20% and parking and circulation covers the rest of the site. Two things that will need to be worked through at a later date are a specific drainage plan at permit time and a sign program which will be brought in at a later date. That is not part of this approval. Pylman stated that the landscape plan is a good plan, which consists primarily of low level shrubbry and accent planting with some use of trees. It is not the same conceptual plan as seen earlier. The applicant has stepped back from that plan because of cost considerations. The staff is comfortable with this proposed landscape plan. Pylman stated that the Avon Road landscaping plan concern has not been addressed completely, because it is difficult to do because of the plans for Avon Road at this time. What the applicant has done is come up with a conceptual plan. This may have to be modified at a later date. The Staff was pleased with the detailing of the sidewalks, etc. No specific design review on the restaurant site has been done, therefore, the applicant has provided an internal landscape plan for that site, should that building never be developed. Pylman stated that there was a variance granted for the restaurant pad, and the project is now in conformance with the zoning code. Pylman stated that as part of the staff design review and considerations, they have allowed a lot of the parking spaces to be designed at 16 feet. Eighteen foot is the Town of Avon standard. They have designed the asphalt at 16 feet and allowed a two foot overhang into a landscape area, to minimum the amount of asphalt on th_ site, E which was a concern. The only there is a concern with this is along the restaurant pad site. That overhang does -not occur over two feet of landscaping, but will most likely be a sidewalk fronting the restaurant. Pylman stated that architecturally the type of design is compatible with what is going on in the Town of Avon and the materials are consistent with the design guidelines. The landscaping and site plan are appropriate with the Town center. Regarding the compatibility with site impacts, the only thing is a finalized drainage plan. Staff sees no problems with this. Pylman stated that the only issue with site topography would be the uncertainity of the final grade on the Avon Road right- of-way. Regarding the visual appearance of the structure is well designed. ,___1 tp ft� r -1 r4dis PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 9 Lot 1 Regarding thb general conformance with the goals, policies and programs of the Town of Avon, the 'staff considers the ideal development on this piece of ground would be an underground parking structure, a first floor retail and a five or six floor of some type of bed base. However, this proposal is allowed by the existing zoning. It is well within the existing zoning limitations. They have worked very closely with the landscape architects and the architect to make sure that it was detailed well. enough that it would still fit into the Town center. Staff recommendation was to increase the loading berth on the south side of the building, and this has been done. The second comment was to define a specific walkway paving material. Carson Wright stated that when they first came in they came in with a very elaborate landscaping plan but with the concerns with Benchmark Road and having landscaping too high, which would impair ingress and egress and also since the building will have retail, signage is important. Therefore, they have tried to employ landscaping that is vertical, but it can also be seen through at a great number of cases. They have also designed a plan to allow for a great deal of color in the springtime. He stated that they feel they have made a great effort to work with the staff to come up with a project that Avon will feel very good about. McRory commented that he feels that the now proposed plan is adequate, but had a concern that the applicant might come in later to request more cutbacks. Carson Wright stated that they did not plan to make any more changes. Discussion followed on this matter. Perkins questioned the detail of the overhang and how it has been modified. Unfor.tunaltely , due to interference of--plans_.being-rattled, some of the responses are not transcribable., Perkins asked if the stone walls would be d,y-stacked? The response was yes. Pylman suggested that Scott give the Commission a report on the landscape plan. Further discussion followed. Pedestrian crossings of the street was also discussed. Due to cons-iderable interference, most of this discussion is not transcribable. The plan is to keep most of the landscaping very low level. Hunn asked about the extent of curb and gutter and how do they protect land- scaping in an area like this from traffic and snow removal' Curbing is all that can be done. Most of it will be curbed. Further discussiir, followed. PLANNING AND ZONING COIIMISS10N MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 10 Discussion followed on the urainage system and the pavers. Perkins stated that he thought the project looked great. Some discussion followed on the various landscape varities, but due to several conversations going on at the same time, the comments are not trans- cribable. Hunn asked about the situation along the railroad track. Carson Wright described what would be done. He stated that they would put a retaining wall and a solid fence. Further discusssion followed on this matter. Discussion followed on the trash dumpste.- and where it will be located. Discussion also followed on the roofing material. Due to many conversations being conducted at the same time as these discussions transcription is difficult -.- Discussion followed on the maintenance of the building and landscaping. Hunn asked about the staff concern about the length of the spaces adjacent to the restaurant. Carson Wright stated that there would be no problem. Hunn asked if the spaces could be lengthened to 18 feet. Wright stated that they could be, but what he would prefer to do is to let them come over, but put a strip of landscaping between the sidewalk and the space. Further discussion followed. Discussion followed on the compatibility of the restaurant building with the main project building. Hunn asked if the individual store fronts would be customized or will the create a standard of materials and the only individuality will be the signage within an approved sign program? Wright stated that the only signage will be on the sign band and the Commission will receive a program. There will be no custom designs. Further discussion followed on the sign program. Jack Munn moved to grant final design approval to the Avon Towne Square, Lot That the 1, Block 1, Lodge at Avon Subdivision, with the following cond drainage plan be submitted to staff; That the sign program be submitted to the Commission at a later date; That the Town be impowered to collect some kind of bond to ensure that the landscaping is properly completed after occupancy of the building; and that the applicant bring back the final solution along the railroad right-of-way with regard to fencing, and/or encroachment across property lines; and when the railroad underpass design is complete, that the final landscape solution along Avon Road be brought back to the Commission for review. Terri Jeppson seconded. The motion carried unanimously. -"r "W's PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 11 Lot 24 Block 1 Benchmark at Beaver Creek Sign Program, Design Review \ Jim Curnutte stated that back in July, 1989, the Commission granted final J approval to the Deep Rock Water building of approximately 11,000 square feat and its associated sign program. The signage approved was a pan -channel, backlit, blue plexi -glass, individual lighting. The Deep Rock sign, at that time, was located in the center of the building and was approximately 30 square feet in area, since there was no tenant at that time. One of the conditions of that approval was that any future tenant must conform to the approved sign program. Curnutte stated that in October, 1989, the applicant requested a revision to the sign program for the purpose of increasing the size of the Deep Rock sign to approximately 85 square feet and centering it on the building. That request was denied by the Planning Commission because it was too large and out of proportion with the architecture of the building. The decison was upheld by the Town Council. 0 Curnutee stated that the applicant is requesting a revision to the sign program as follows: 1. The Deep Rock Sign will be moved to the left side of the building. 2. The word Water will be added under the Deep Rock sign, bringing the total to about 36 square feet. 3. The tenant sign will be in the center of the building. The type of sign for the tenant is different than the sign program requires and is larger than what the staff feels was approved. Curnutte stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission does have discretionary powers in approving a sign program Staff recommends that this request be reviewed according to Section 15.28.060 for sign design guidelines and the section for sign design criteria, which are: Suitability of the improvement including the material; Comment - The approved pan -channel, blue plexi -glass letters are acceptable sign material and encouraged in the Town code. The sign code does discourage interior lit, box type plastic signs. The proposed tenant box sign is proposed to be surrounded by anodized metal. It will be a frosted white with matching blue letters. The second criteria is the nature of neighboring improvements. Comment - The Wolff Warehouse to the east does display a box sign that is 24 square feet in size. The signage approved for the self storage building on the other side is for individual letters with the total sign being about 25 square feet in size. The Mountain Center building has signs that are 2 x 4 feet, 28 square feet each. They are back -lit, box type signs. Regarding the visual impact. Comment - This property fronts toward 1-70, therefore, There would not be any negative impact. i f ,�tX Staff does not feel that this proposal would effect any property values. With the exception of the proposed tenant sign, the signage does appear to be appropriate for the project. The sign code does say that each individual business of a multiple business center generally would be allowed 20 square feet of signage, however, with the approval of a sing program the Planning Commission does have the discreation to increase that as they see fit, based on the frontage of each business. Total building frontage of this building is 89 feet. 04 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 12 Deep Rock is utilizing approximately 50 feet to that and the tenant would utilize the remaining 39 feet. Curnutte stated that this signage is highly oriented to vehicular traffic. Staff does recommend approval of this revised sign program with the condition that the tenant sign be reduced to 28 square feet. John Perkins moved to approve to the Deep Rock Water Company sign program, Lot 24, Block 1, Benchmark at Beaver Creek, with the condition that the maximum size of 28 square feet be allowed for the tenant sign. Clayton McRory seconded. The motion carried unanimously. Hunn voiced concern about the lighting being done correctly and also discussed was the possibility of the window being converted to a door. The space does have a door in the back and a loading dock. Lot 20 Des Chairman Doll stated that this sign program has been revised many times and there doesn't seem to be any handle on it. Duetoconversations being conducted between various Commission members, Rick `Pylman's-opering-comments are not transcr-ibalale. .-The-representative for this application was not identified and comments made -by this representative were not clear due to other conversations. Curnutte stated that the proposal is to amend the sign program and pravide some architectural amenities to the building. That being an awning wrapping around the second tier of windows, providing a door on the side of the building, where one does not exist at this time. The would like to put an awning over that door and on the awning would be some signage and on the awning over the second tier windows there would also be some signage. Over in the area where you see the other signs hanging, there would be signage. The application is not complete and there was not enough information in time to do a staff report. The applicant would like some direction form the Commission on the awning and signage. The representative stated that they decided that they really eed the awning. There is too much sunlight in the building during the day. Tewant to put in kitchen wares and household accessories, and fading would be a,_1problem with any fabrics. •) PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 13 t 20. Block 2. Benchmark at Also it is very hot in there for the employees. This will be a retail shop. Discussion followed on the existing sign program. The bank was allowed to have additional signage. This was an additional 60 sq, .re feet of signage. Now they want to use this additional signage allowance on the awning. Considerable discussion followed on the manner the square footage of the signage would be calculated. Perkins stated that he felt that any letter on the prominent point of the building might be inappropriate, because of the fact that the end of the building is such a statement itself. He isn't opposed to the awning with color coordination with the building, and the smaller awning over the door would be enough identification. His biggest concern is he feels that the Commission needs to review the whole sign program for this building and try to make some sense of it, because so many signs have been hung and placed. Hunn disagrees with the awning concent. He feels the building is controversial and for that reason the building is well known. No one would have any problem finding any business in that building. He stated he feels that the end of the building is the signature of the building and the window groupings are important to the building. Th9 awning would interrupt the window pattern. He stated that there is also shading device on the south side of the building that could be expanded in hetot and repeated on the curve to incorporate signage without an awning. This would give them an idenity and cut down the amount of light that comes into the building. The awning element is foreign to the building. He agreed with Perkins that the whole sign program needs to be reviewed before another sign is approved. McRory stated he had no problem with the awning, but he also agrees that the sign program needs to be reviewed. Chairman Doll suggested that the representative and the building manager sit down with the Town Staff and come up with a sign program for the building and incorporate waht they want to do and at the same time take into consideration the comments heard this evening. Lot 87 89 Block 1 Wildridge Subdivision Conceptual Design Review Rick Pylman stated that this application has been presented once before conceptually, and the applicant did not have a complete application ready for this meeting. This will be a fractionalized project. Ken Sortland stated that this is a totally different plan than the one presented earlier. He stated that there will be 12 units on Lot 89 and 8 units on Lot 87. PLANNING AND ZONING C0144ISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 14 Lot 87 89 Block 1 Wildridge Subdivision, Conceptual Design Review, Continued He stated that this is designed to be an affordable project. They will not be large units. All the units will have a southern exposure. All will have a view toward the New York mountain range. c eco ��•��t1l,s M#ehael Sue, the architect stated that the one and two bedroom units have a community entrance. The lower unit is a one bedroom with a dining, living and kitchen area. Upstairs is a two bedroom with two baths, a living and kitchen area. There are some decks that go off at the south. There is a one car garage that goes with the two bedroom unit. There is parking outside for the one bedroom. There is also additional parking on the site to accomodate the requirements for parking. Discussion followed on the sizes of the units and what the "affordable" costs would be. Discussion followed on the fractionalization of the lots and how many units would be allowed on each lot. Discussion followed on the width of the driveway. Discussion followed on the parking situation. Hunn stated that he is not comfortable with this type of product in Wildridge. He does not know if it is appropriate or consistent with the intent and existing development in Wildridge. He encouraged the applicant to consider a less aggressive fractionalized project, with more variety of units. Further discussion followed on the lack of adequate parking spaces as compared to the possible amount of cars that the tenants could have. Density of this project and the effect on the carrying capacity of the roadway is a concern of Jack Hunn. He stated that this is a concern regarding any fractionalized projects in Wildridge and should be studied before any projects are approved. Further discussion followed on the driveways pertaining to this project. Sortland stated that he is trying to provide a project that is nice for anyone who would like to live there, not just to make a buck. He wants something where he would feel comfortable himself. He has tried to give the local person to be able to buy a unit without having to be living in a tight stacked area. At least there is one covered parking space per unit and two for the three bedroom units, along with walk -out decks, landscaping, patios and southern exposure. These are only two story buildings, where before they were three stories. Discussion followed on the joint driveway with Lot 88. Some of the conversation is' not transcribable due to other conversations being conducted at -the same time. Pylman stated that having the twelve units on the one lot is a problem. It cannot be done according to the fractionalization code. A transfer of a development right would have to take place and that entails a lot. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 15 Lot 87, 89, Block lt Wildridge Subdivision Conceptual Design Review, Continued Perkins stated that if one of the lots is too steep they shouldn't fractionalize at all. Also he doesn't 'like the end elevations. He e3peci.ally does not like the repetitive nature and the shedded carport structures are very unattractive. Railtons comments are not transcribable. She was giving a discription of another project, but which one is not discernable. Discussion followed on the roof points. The architect described how they are stepping down the units. Discussion also followed on the possible accesses to the two sites. Discussion followed on the depth of paving for backing and turning. Jeppson voiced concern regarding the community entrances. She is concerned that the entrance would become shabby and no one would take care of it. She asked what the square footage on the three bedroom would be. Sortland stated that they would be a little under 1200 square feet. Further discussion followed on the sizes of the units. Chairman Doll summarized the concerns for the Commission regarding this project. Other Business Hunn stated that in reading the council minutes that a final subdivision plat was approved by Council for the detached duplex and he questions how the Town can proceed with that since the ordinance clearly states that that is in violation of the definition of a duplex. Pylman stated that this started year ago. The applicant needed some signatures on the plat and the applicant finally brought it back 11 months later and the Council approved it. Hunn stated that he is concerned that it was not properly done and the property owners were not properly notified. He stated that he knows it will be challenged by one of the adjacent property owners. Pylman stated that there is a valid design review approval for the detached duplex. If this project is not built within the next six months, there will be some problems with the lot, because some property lines that do not fit have been created. It will have to be treplatted back to a lot again. It will take a lot of work to get it back to a lot that can be developed under a different program. Perkins asked that Rick Pylman not let applicants come in if they do not make the deadlines. It makes it tco long and difficult. The meeting was then adjourned. No indication of time or who moved to adjourn. Respectfully submitted, Charlette Pascuzzi Recording Secretary .*", "4", PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 15, 1990 Page 16 ,^% Approved this day of/+ 1990. Frank Doll Clayton McRory Buz Reynol'- Terri Jepp John Perki Sue Railto Jack Hunn