PZC Minutes 06-19-2007 (2)Town of Avon Planning & Zoning Commission
�Meeting Minutes for June 19, 2007
VONAvon Town Council Chambers
C O L O R A D O Meetings are open to the public
Avon Municipal Building / 400 Benchmark Road
- Work Session with Avon Town Council -
- Work Session -
Madison Partners PUD Review
Property Location: Highway 6 & 24
Applicant: Larry Vineyard, Premier Holdings LLC /Owner. • Craig Folson
Description: The applicant, Premier Property Holdings LLC, is proposing a revised plan
for a 112 -unit condominium project, including a restaurant, on the Folson Annexation
Parcel. This application was reviewed with a Public Hearing at the Planning
Commission's February 20, 2007 meeting. This is a revised proposal, and there is
limited information being proposed.
Matt Pielsticker revealed that there was no formal presentation by staff and
documentation was provided in the Commissioner packets.
Tab Bonidy, TAB Associates, requested the Commission to gather around pictures hung
on the wall. Greg Macik demonstrated changes from the original presentation,
commented that landscaping would be used to hide the base of the building, and the
decreased height of the building. Commission comments included the competition of a
restaurant not in the Town Core might be inappropriate, using native Colorado
vegetation, the shotcrete wall, traffic generation by a restaurant, and the LEED
certification proposed.
Bette Todd, Canyon Run resident, commented that she was contacted to give input on
the project to the developers and stated that the project was very large, asked if the
Commission felt it fit the Avon concept of development, the project does not step back to
the hillside, significant engineering was needed for the 40% slope, didn't believe the
restaurant was an issue, and the developer had been trying to get together with the
residents.
Commissioner Goulding commented that Leeds certification was presented when the
project was done and the pedestrian connection to the Town. Commissioner Struve
agreed with Commissioner Goulding regarding a quality material and architectural
design. Commissioner Struve continued with concern regarding parking. Commissioner
Lane commented that he would like to see the perspective from the road, and an effort
to link this project to the Town. Commissioner Green would like to see how the parking
gets resolved; has concerns with the number of units; affordable housing was of key
importance, possible restaurant use was questioned; an improved pedestrian connection
to Avon's core was important; and the reduction in massing was the right direction.
Town of Avon Planning & Zoning Commission
�Meeting Minutes for June 19, 2007
VONAvon Town Council Chambers
C O L O R A D O Meetings are open to the public
Avon Municipal Building / 400 Benchmark Road
- Work Session with Avon Town Council -
- Work Session -
Madison Partners PUD Review
Property Location.: Highway 6 & 24
Applicant. Larry Vineyard, Premier Holdings LLC / Owner- Craig Folson
Description: The applicant, Premier Property Holdings LLC, is proposing a revised plan
for a 112 -unit condominium project, including a restaurant, on the Folson Annexation
Parcel. This application was reviewed with a Public Hearing at the Planning
Commission's February 20, 2007 meeting. This is a revised proposal, and there is
limited information being proposed.
Matt Pielsticker revealed that there was no formal presentation by staff and
documentation was provided in the Commissioner packets.
Tab Bonidy, VAG, requested the Commission to gather around pictures hung on the
wall. Greg Macik demonstrated changes from the original presentation, commented that
landscaping would be used to hide the base of the building, and the decreased height of
the building. Commission comments included the competition of a restaurant not in the
Town Core might be inappropriate, using native Colorado vegetation, the shotcrete wall,
traffic generation by a restaurant, and the LEED certification proposed.
Bette Todd, Canyon Run resident, commented that she was contacted to give input on
the project to the developers and stated that the project was very large, asked if the
Commission felt it fit the Avon concept of development, the project does not step back to
the hillside, significant engineering was needed for the 40% slope, didn't believe the
restaurant was an issue, and the developer had been trying to get together with the
residents.
Commissioner Goulding commented that Leeds certification was presented when the
project was done and the pedestrian connection to the Town. Commissioner Struve
agreed with Commissioner Goulding regarding a quality material and architectural
design. Commissioner Struve continued with concern regarding parking. Commissioner
Lane commented that he would like to see the perspective from the road, and an effort
to link this project to the Town. Commissioner Green would like to see how the parking
gets resolved; has concerns with the number of units; affordable housing was of key
importance, possible restaurant use was questioned; an improved pedestrian connection
to Avon's core was important; and the reduction in massing was the right direction.
Commissioner Smith stated the restaurant was an issue along with parking concerns.
Commissioner Green would like to hear from the community.
- Regular Meeting -
II. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at 6:50 pm.
III. Roll Call
All Commissioners were present with the exception of 'Commissioner Foster and
Commissioner Evans.
IV. Additions and Amendments to the Agenda
There were no additions or amendments to the Agenda.
V. Conflicts of Interest
There were no conflicts to disclose.
VI. Consent Agenda
• Approval of the June 5, 2007 Meeting Minutes with the following
corrections per Commissioner Green: page 1, last paragraph, end of 7" line, the
word 'and' to be replaced by 'than'; page 5, East Avon Draft Plan, reword to read
"is Avon Road the line of demarcation we want to have between a higher and a
lower part of Town?"; and, last sentence under East Avon Draft Plan should read
that the "message" was to the Orion Group what was being proposed was not in
scale and in keeping with what is in the Comp Plan or in the proposed East Town
Development Plan.
Commissioner Green moved to return to the next Planning and Zoning Commission
Meeting with revised June 5"', 2007 Planning and Zoning Commission Minutes to reflect
Commissioner Green's revamp request. Commissioner Smith seconded the motion. All
Commissioners were in favor and the motion passed 4-0 with Commissioner Goulding
abstaining due to his absence at the meeting.
VII. PUD Amendment— NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING
Property Location: Lots 38 & 39, Block 4, Wildridge Subdivision / 5032 & 5040 Wildridge
Road East, Lot 110, Block 1, Wildridge Subdivision / 3087 Wildridge Road
Applicant: Land Planning Collaborative /Owner. Frank Hamel
Description: The applicant is proposing an amendment to the Wildridge PUD. The
proposal is to rezone Lot 38 and 39, Block 4, Wildridge Subdivision from the currently
entitled 3 duplexes (or 1 duplex and 1 four-plex) to six single-family residences. The six
newly platted lots are proposed with building envelopes and restricted to 5,000 square
feet. Design and building standards would be tied to the new properties.
Matt Pielsticker presented the Staff Report to the Commission along with additional
letters from the public.
Tambi Katieb, Land Planning Collaborative, introduced the members of his team and an
outline of his presentation. Mr. Katieb began with a pictorial demonstration of the project
framework, area slopes, site constraints, grading and roads in the area. Gerald
Miramonte, Miramonte Architects, approached the podium to discuss the building
footprint, the slope survey analysis and access solutions to the site. Mr. Katieb
commented on the proposed architecture of heavy timbers and presented criteria for
public benefit. Mr. Katieb continued that the project was consistent with the Design
Review Guidelines and staging was discussed.
Commissioner Struve questioned the pump house and water mains. Mr. Katieb replied
that it would not be impacted by construction of these lots. Commissioner Smith
questioned un -buildable area.
OPEN PUBLIC HEARING
Anne Clark, 5021 Wildridge Road East resident, provided a letter regarding this project
to the Commission and approached the podium regarding her concern with the number
of homes on the far end of the property and mentioned the concern of her neighbor, the
Reese's, and another neighbor, Scott Rella whose kitchen would be impacted and
mentioned his concern with the close proximity of the homes to the property line. Ms.
Clark mentioned the wildlife corridor was an issue.
Sherry Peach, 5183 Longsun resident, approached the podium to comment that the
west side had a 5 home density and it seemed very dense. Ms. Peach continued that
the natural environment needed to be maintained and site disturbance needed to be
minimized.
Brian Nolan, Longsun cul-de-sac resident, revealed that he agreed with Commissioner
Green that as development novice, it is difficult to perceive and requested that Mr.
Katieb walk him through the proposed development. Mr. Nolan questioned the approval
process for the PUD and the variance with Commissioner Green responding on
procedure.
CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING
Commissioner Green began commissioner review by agreeing to the size and grading of
the site, commented that the applicant had to work closely with the neighborhood, that
neighbors voiced a density problem and that the applicant's proposal was a better plan
than originally proposed. Commissioner Green also suggested sketch up to Mr.
Miramonte as a quick trick, expressed that the site was very difficult, concerned with
cuts, agreed with staff findings, and there was a need to honor the land by watching how
it was cut, filled and mitigated. Commissioner Lane commented that the presentation
was well thought out, addressed the town's needs, concerned with the retaining wall's
visual, deed restricted unit — in like with the other structures on site, importance was
massing and its presentation to the neighbors, and elevations from the road to the
neighbors would be beneficial. Commissioner Green voiced that a 3 dimensional view of
this project could show the neighborhood what they had in mind on such a complicated
site. Commissioner Struve commented that the two lots are like apples and oranges,
150 AMI and not 200 Ami, too much density on west side, 5000 sq ft with the garage
was acceptable, roadway cut would be a real challenge and it would be desirable to
have bear cut instead of retaining walls. Commissioner Goulding agreed with the
approach of the access, allocation of density was an issue, another dwelling unit on the
east side, affordable housing unit was a great idea, proponent of 'green' building, and
commented that the developer was heading in the right direction but density was an
issue.
Commissioner Smith agreed with the strategy of what the developer was trying to do and
Lot 38 had a lot of massing, massing models would be encouraged. Commissioner
Green brought up concern with the wildlife mitigation through Wildridge and he would
like to see it put on the table and identified. Mr. Katieb commented that there are
landscaping directions that would address wildlife mitigation. Mr. Miramonte mentioned
that he created a corridor, at his personal residence between himself and his neighbor,
to accommodate a wildlife corridor.
Commissioner Struve moved to table Item VII, PUD Amendment, Property Location:
Lots 38 & 39, Block 4, Wildridge Subdivision / 5032 & 5040 Wildridge Road East, Lot
110, Block 1, Wildridge Subdivision / 3087 Wildridge Road with Commissioner Green
seconding and the motion passed unanimously with a 5 — 0 vote.
VIII. Sketch Plans - Wildridge Subdivision
A. Lot 3, Western Sage Single -Family
Property Location: Lot 3, Western Sage PUD / 5205 Longsun Lane
Applicant: John G. Martin/ Owner Ted Leach, Western Sage Partners, LLC
Description: Sketch Design for a Single -Family residence in the Western Sage PUD. Lot
is accessed from private drive off cul-de-sac on Longsun Lane. The Design features a
2 -car garage, European style design with wood siding, stucco/stone siding, and large
simple roof form.
Jared Barnes presented the Staff Report.
Jeff Manley, architect, approached the podium to address this application. Mr. Manley
began by commenting on the differences of the three homes.
Commissioner Green began commissioner review by commenting that he liked the
design, any changes made were minute and not significant enough, too cookie cutter.
Commissioner Smith mentioned that the homes were to be different in design.
Commissioner Green agreed with staff that he was concerned with the precedent this
home would create, needed more diversity and not more conformity. Commissioner
Lane materials are there and form, too, but not enough differentiation. Commissioner
Struve commented that the penetrations are different but the massing was the same,
suggested picking up some of the design of the Ruther residence. Commissioner
Goulding voiced its cookie cutter look and not complimentary, concerned with massing
and roof forms.
Ted Leach, one of the owners, commented that Lots 1 and 2 were approved with slight
variations and questioned if Lot 3 had to be different, too. Commissioner response was
that all homes were to be different. Commissioner Green commented that a clipped roof
was a trick to diversity.
B. Lot 12, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision
Property Location: Lot 12, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision / 4080 Wildridge Road West
Applicant: Michael Hazard /Owner. Advanced Home Technologies, LLC
Description: Sketch Design for a duplex development accessed via a private entry court
off of Little Point. The design is contemporary with multiple flat roof elements. The
forms are clad in Stucco and wood to diminish scale.
Jared Barnes presented the Staff Report.
Commissioner Struve questioned the site coverage on CD 2.2 areas 5 on both sides.
Commissioner Green questioned the driveway easement; Mr. Barnes responded that
easement was a utility easement.
Michael Hazard, applicant representative, approached the podium and introduced the
site to the Commission and acknowledged awareness of the utilities in the easement
and the responsibility to remove driveway at owner's expense to access. Mr. Hazard
continued by addressing staff concerns with access and the neighbor's impact of the
development — i.e., headlights, snow storage; and continued with discussing the
courtyard concept, flat roof design and other site issues.
Ernie and Bonnie Atlas, Lot 14 resident — 4151 Little Point, approached the podium to
express that his initial impression was negative on this project. Mrs. Atlas commented to
her husband that this design might compliment the Atlas home, the access road would
be within 15 feet to their home, old trees would be removed to accommodate the road,
and Mr. Atlas voiced safety concern for his grandchildren playing so close to the road,
water drainage would go directly onto his property, not enough room for a snowplow to
plow snow away from his property, light pollution was an issue with the deer, and
headlights would be in his dining room, voiced concern with emergency vehicle access,
and suggested the project move westward in order to accommodate the 25 foot setback.
Mr. Atlas voiced that a hardship variance be granted to the neighbors to move the road
10 to 15 feet.
Victoria Dauphnie, Wildridge Road West resident, her property overlooks this land, and
requested that the hardship variance not be approved as it would impact her property,
size down the project to accommodate the driveway, aesthetics of the buildings were in
keeping of the neighbors but that this neighbor was unique to other surrounding homes
in this area.
Peter Warren, 4181 Beaver Creek Point, commented that approach in conformance to
codes and guidelines, does it integrate with the neighborhood, and how large a mass it
was, and the character of the architecture regarding the consistency, and sun and view
impact. Mr. Warren continued with concern for easements of the town and the utilities.
Gerald Miramonte, residence across from this project, commented with support of this
project, revealed it was fun, not boring, novel connection of the units, and the plan was
interesting.
Mike Kelso, lives across from this project, supported Mr. Atlas' concerns with this project
regarding easements and four residences on a ten foot road was a issue.
Commissioner review began with Commissioner Goulding commenting that it was a
large cluster of four identical units, access to the joint lots was an issue; perhaps shift it
with two accesses. Commissioner Struve could not approve the driveway, setback
variance has never been supported by the commission, greater differentiation between
the duplexes was encouraged, colors would be key and should compliment the abode
on Lot 14, and agreed that there were other ways to take advantage of the lot.
Commissioner Lane approved of the individual massing, sketch makes project look very
hard, appreciated the different style; materials would be a big part, and the need to
address the neighbor's concerns. Commissioner Green liked the concept, a community
duplex, interior courtyards create a sense of community within the duplexes, not hung up
on the materials, potential to do a sophisticated color scheme that integrates with natural
color, not in favor of variance, concerned with driveway over easement, fine with the
architectural styling, and needed refining. Commissioner Smith mentioned that the two
duplexes were identical and it was a concern. Mr. Hazard responded that he prefer to
create a vocabulary of materials to provide differentiation.
C. Lot 13, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision
Property Location: Lot 13, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision 14080 Wildridge Road West
Applicant: Michael Hazard /Owner. Advanced Home Technologies, LLC
Description: Sketch Design for a duplex development accessed via a private entry court
off of Little Point. The design is contemporary with multiple flat roof elements. The
forms are clad in stucco and wood to diminish scale.
See comments on Lot 12 above.
IX. MinorProject- ShedAddition
Property Location: Lot 41-13, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision / 4330 Flat Point Road
Applicant. James G. Downs, Tuff Shed, Inc. / Owner. Tony Prior
Description: Construct a shed in the side yard of the subject property. The shed exterior
finish will match the existing residence.
Jared Barnes presented the staff report. '
James Downs, Tuff Shed, approached the podium and explained the need for the shed
was to contain the owner's possessions. Mr. Downs continued that the building would
not be visible from the roadway and it was not a substantial structure.
Commissioner Goulding commented that this is not the right solution to the applicant's
storage issues by use of an ancillary building. Commissioner Struve would have to see
this bumped up against the house and not a separate building. Commissioner Lane the
structure was not right for the site. Commissioner Green commented that the owner has
a toy problem and not a garage problem, and a shed was not an appropriate solution
and it sets an inappropriate precedent. Commissioner Smith agreed with staff and it
would set a precedent.
Commissioner Struve moved to deny Item IX, Minor Project - Shed Addition, Property
Location: Lot 41-13, Block 3, Wildridge Subdivision / 4330 Flat Point Road.
Commissioner Goulding seconded the motion. All commissioners were in favor and the
motion passed 5 — 0.
X. East Avon Draft Plan
Description: Detailed review of Chapter 1 (Introduction/Background), and the Land Use
portion of Chapter 2 of the Town Center East District Plan. The draft plan is dated May
10, 2007.
Matt Pielsticker discussed the memo presented to the Commission and was looking for
comfort with pages 1 through 24.
Larry Brooks, Town Manager, revealed his concern with written comments being handed
to staff and recommended that to close the circle with a group discussion.
Commissioner Green began by discussing the introduction — pedestrian circulation did
not make sense; tad' from bottom — common architectural character should be replaced
with interesting architectural character; planning considerations ie Leeds; page 9 —
paragraph 2 — building massing and footprints, etc.... needed a better disclaimer; third
bullet point from bottom — district character needed to be better communicated, more
specific, what is being encouraged; page 11, 3`d bullet point — what does it mean, don't
sell to second homeowners needed to be articulated better; next bullet point third line —
floor to ceiling ratio needed better definition; page 12 strike 'big box' in first bullet — mid
size anchors and no big box, use retailers up to 15,000 sq ft; 'minimizing gaps in retail' -
what about cool alleys, wrapping corners, arcade type; page 14 — under existing
residential — so what to the 14 units came from; page 19 — proposed commercial use
table — convenience goods, what does the term mean and is there a better term for it;
page 22 — graphic — needs more character illustrate pedestrian ways, etc., plaza
shouldn't be represented as four walls, needed to be more touchy feely; have medical
facilities closer to transportation and more accessible; page 23 — tenants plaza overall —
encourage the use of outdoor space; book stores are not shown on plan; too sector-ized;
post office needs to be on list; plaza overall could use more definition; omit pages 21
and 23; diagrams on page 22 could be eliminated; page 24 use pictures of building and
not what is presented; page 7 schematic diagrams were unanimously great; page 25 —
planning principles should define size of sidewalks; page 25 — 15t bullet point needs to
encourage use; page 25 — 2nd bullet point — do not identify Christie Lodge but reinforce
the concept; make an attempt to make the town LEED certified by presenting certain
concepts; coversheet illustrated needs to be redesigned; need to state this plan is
merely guidance; page 5 — need to emphasize full time residential; page 5 — need to
emphasize varying building height; page 10 — item 15 — needs to be reworded; page 11
—151 bullet — expand and create comfortable full time residential uses; page 15, last line,
2nd line — define residential, strike higher residency rate;
XI. Other Business
• Sutter fence was discussed, project was built over the last weekend, application
met the intent of the fence guidelines, less than 2000 sq ft, two horizontal beams,
does not impede wildlife, and planning to stain to match house. Dominic
Mauriello, duplex neighbor, had no objection to the fence. Next step was to
check square footage. Issue was that he did not comply with procedure. Other
neighbor was concerned with fence. Commissioner Struve suggested that the
Sutter's needed to come up with a remedy. Commissioner Green commented
that the issue was that they built a fence without approval. Commissioner
Goulding voiced that they need to apply for the fence and P & Z needs to
approve, or they would need to rip it out. Matt Gennett revealed that P & Z could
call up the Staff Approval. Commissioner Green suggested calling back the
fence for Planning & Zoning Commission approval, Commissioner Goulding
seconded. All were in favor and the motion passed unanimously.
• Walkin the Dog — engineered plans are anticipated for the July 17d' meeting, they
are trying to work out the access, and they need to get approval for what was
ti
already done. Commissioner Green voiced that she needs to know to come
back and Commissioner Struve get her to bring her plans in. Commissioner
Green — the Planning and Zoning Commission has he power to bring back the
SRU. Commissioner Green requested Ms. Lehman be at the 17"' meeting to
review what is happening on site.
Commissioner Green commented on the construction project at Bear Trap —
Matsen project — materials on bike path, move onto site.
XII. Adjourn
Commissioner Goulding motioned to adjourn. Commissioner Green seconded the
motion. All Commissioners were in favor. The meeting was adjourned at approximately
9:25 pm.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Weiss
Recording Secretary
APPROVED:
Terry Smith
Vice Chairman
Phil Struve
Secretary