PZC Minutes 112001Minutes of Planning & Zoning Commission
Regular Meeting
November 20, 2001
Council Chambers
Town of Avon Municipal Building
400 Benchmark Road
I. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at 6:00 p.m.
II. Roll Call
All Commissioners were present with the exception of Commissioners Evans, Sipes and Klein.
III. Additions and Amendments to the Agenda
Approval of Resolution No. 01 -21, East Avon and Town Center Study was moved to the
Consent Agenda.
IV. Conflicts of Interest
Commissioner Macik had a conflict with the Special Review Use item VIII.
V. Consent Agenda
A. Approval of the November 6, 2001 Planning & Zoning Commission
Meeting Minutes
Vice Chairman Karow stated that due to only two commissioners from the November 6, 2001
meeting being present, the meeting minutes from that meeting cannot be approved until the
next meeting.
B. Approval of Resolution 01 -21, East Avon and Town Center Study
Commissioner Wolfe moved to approve Item B on the Consent Agenda. Commissioner
McClinton seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.
VI. Design Review - Minor Project
A. Lots 9 and 10, Filing 2, Eaglebend Subdivision
Project Type: Driveway
Applicant/Owner: Paul Miller
Address: 4883 and 4915 Eaglebend Drive
Eric Johnson, Planning Technician, summarized the staff report and stated the applicant is
requesting a driveway for the two lots and that staff is recommending denial.
The applicants, Paul Miller and Kurt Schneider, began by stating that one home in this filing
does have an individual drive. Mr. Miller stated that these homes were not sited to provide for
design of hammerheads. Backing onto the streets occurs at almost all homes in this
neighborhood. Mr. Schneider cannot pull into his garage because of the design of the
driveways. Millions of homes across the country have driveways that make people back onto
the street. Which is greater concern, backing onto the street or into children playing on the
driveway? He asked how the maintenance is increased by the addition of the new driveway.
Staff responded that the additional driveway and culvert increase the maintenance and snow
removal costs for the Public Works department. Also, in this filing there is only one house that
has its own driveway all of the other single - family homes share access. In some cases there
are three homes that share a single access.
Kurt Schnieder stated that safety is his major concern with the kids playing in driveway.
Vice Chairman Karow asked what the parking requirements are for these properties. Staff
responded that only two spaces are needed per house, which are provided for in the garages.
Commissioner Wolfe asked if the new design review guidelines required something different.
Staff responded that hammerheads would be required to meet safety requirements.
Commissioner Wolfe agreed with staffs recommendation. He stated that the institutional
memory was that the development of the single - family homes required shared access to meet
the multi - family zoning of the area. Safety of backing out into the street is a concern.
Commissioner Macik asked if staff has proposed hammerheads? Staff responded that the
Town would entertain revised plans however that would not solve all problems. Commissioner
Macik stated if the plans could be revised, he would consider review. Overall, he is not in favor
of proposal.
Mr. Miller stated that he is just trying to fix mistakes from past developer.
Commissioner McClinton said that he supports staffs' comments.
Vice Chairman Karow had two issues: the curb cut and the safety issues. He asked if the plans
could be revised would engineering still deny another curb cut. He stated that due to Criteria
number 2 he cannot support the application.
Mr. Miller asked if it is appropriate to have people park perpendicular to the garage.
Vice Chairman Karow stated that this is how the units were designed and they knew that when
they purchased the properties.
Commissioner Wolfe stated that the design of the area is similar to what the applicant has. For
practical purposes the sites are not useable for the type of vehicles that the applicants have.
Commissioner Macik stated that there are other design solutions besides new curb cut.
Commissioner Wolfe moved to deny the application. Commissioner Macik seconded the
motion. The motion passed unanimously.
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VII. CONCEPT REVIEW - PUD
A. Lot 52, Block 1, Wildridge Subdivision
Project Type: Rezoning for Two Single Family Units on Duplex Lot
Applicant: Brian Vedder
Address: 2470 Saddle Ridge Loop
Tambi Katieb, Planner II, summarized the staff report. The applicant wants to provide
affordable single - family homes according to the application, and allowing the lot split will permit
the builder to half the land costs for each single family dwelling. Staff had informed applicant
about the Towns policy of splitting lots for development several months prior to this hearing, and
advised the applicant of the previous Town Council Resolution 91 -17. The applicant still wanted
to ask for Town input on this concept.
Brian Vedder thanked the Commission for their time. There are many reasons that this makes
sense. Mr. Vedder went over the various sketches, and discussed the better site design that
would occur building two single - family homes rather than one duplex on this lot.
Commissioner Wolfe asked what exactly do you want to do with the lot that requires this split of
the duplex? I'm not sure the argument regarding affordability has any relevance. Vice
Chairman Karow supported this comment.
Brian Vedder, there are many justifications for this concept: the shape of the lot (pie shape) and
slope of lot, there are only so many ways that property can be developed. Duplexes are
typically linear so if the building is aligned with slope there will be great disturbance to the lot in
addition to two driveway access points. Designing the duplex along the slope means that the
people are in each other's yards. We are trying to think'out of the box', since most of Wildridge
is comprised of duplexes.
Vice Chairman Karow, that is what duplexes are supposed to be (sharing a front yard), and that
is what Wildridge was originally zoned for. It was never intended to be a single - family only
subdivision.
Brian Vedder said his enthusiasm is that there are too many duplexes in Wildridge. Splitting the
two units creates an open view through site. Trees remain undisturbed. Each home is separate
from the other. The plans that have been submitted are just sketches, and don't necessarily
represent the final design.
Commissioner Wolfe, my personal opinion is that access off of the road is not really possible.
Access must come from the adjacent lot, which you have apparently provided for through the
platting of the adjacent lot (Lot 51). Tambi Katieb confirmed this access easement for the
Commission. Commissioner Wolfe said the reality of Council Resolution 91 -17 states that this
type of development is not to be considered. This application will increase mass on the site.
The second option is the best as shown (a duplex with a single access from Lot 51).
Commissioner Macik generally agreed with Commissioner Wolfe. A duplex would work on this
property. Access from south is not preferable. Staff interjected that an easement from the
adjacent property is provided. As for the affordability argument, a duplex is cheaper to build and
provides a more appropriate affordable housing solution. Wouldn't single - family homes be more
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expensive? He was not in favor of this, it is just not appropriate and there is no good argument
for it.
Commissioner McClinton, you are trying to change the scope of Wildridge. Trying to split the
lot into two single - family homes is not appropriate.
Vice Chairman Karow said this resolution from council says no, and beyond the resolution, it is
just not appropriate and would set precedent. From the design stand point this could work,
however, we are not allowed to consider this due to Resolution 91 -17. Wildridge is primarily a
duplex community. Duplexes help keep the mass of housing down in Wildridge. Duplexes help
create more open space by clustering homes, and they also are more affordable than single -
family homes. Single- family homes are not a local resident product, especially not for half a
million dollars.
Brian Vedder, on July 30, 1991, council approved a property split.
Tambi Katieb, during research there have been several memos regarding this proposal. Usually
down zoning is the only type of approval we have allowed. This application is not asking for
down zoning.
Commissioner Macik informed Mr. Vedder that it is not a burden to have to build a duplex. If
you are denied, then you can appeal to Council. A duplex will work fine on this lot and two
single - family residences are not needed. I could afford a duplex but not a single family. The
single - family homes are not more affordable. There are creative ways to design a duplex on
this lot.
Mr. Vedder said this project would benefit Wildridge. The topography is the main reason for this
proposal. I'm trying to design something 'out of the box'. I'm trying to be creative.
Commissioner Wolfe said this property allows for a great opportunity for design creativity. I
support access from adjacent lot for a duplex on this lot.
Steve Olson, owner, thanked the Commission for their input and said this is obviously not
something that the Commission can support. He will direct Mr. Vedder to initiate a duplex
design for the lot. Thanks for your time.
Vice Chairman Karow, the Commission would support the drive access from Lot 51. The
Commission will not take any action for concept review.
VIII. SPECIAL REVIEW USE - Public Hearing
Applicant Has Requested to Table
A. Lot 67/68, Block 1, Benchmark at Beaver Creek
Project Type: Automobile Gas Station & Convenience Store
Applicant: TAB Associates
Owner: Coultier Properties
Address: 40 Nottingham Road
Tambi Katieb, Planner II, stated that staff requires additional information which requires the
applicant to seek a tabling of this file until at least the first meeting in December. Vice Chairman
Karow stated that this has been tabled.
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IX. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Resolution No. 01 -21
East Avon and Town Center Study
B. Staff Approvals: None
C. Sign Permits
Lot 22, Block 2, Chapel Square
240 Chapel Square, Unit B -117
"The Bellflower"
X. ADJOURN
Commissioner Wolfe moved to adjourn the meeting. Commissioner Mack seconded the
motion. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 6:53 p.m.
Respectfully submitte
Eric Johnson'
Acting Recording Secretary
APPROVED: December 4, 2001
Chris Evans
Chairman
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Secretary
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